Time to End Lavaliering?

[ZetaPhi708]

Originally Posted by Kevin

TJ Sullivan, who I'm sure many of you know, had a very interesting blog post the other day. It was brought to my attention by one of my brothers.



The rest of the article is here:

http://tjsullivan.com/lavaliering/

Where do y'all come down on the traditions of lavaliering? And how about badge wearing? In my fraternity, the fiancée (I'm thinking not fiancé), wife (not husband), mother and daughter can wear the badge. Is this something which needs to be rethought?

Mr. Kevin, what fraternity is Mr. Sullivan in?

Edited to add: oops, I think I found it. Is he a Pi Kappa Phi?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by ZetaPhi708

Edited to add: oops, I think I found it. Is he a Pi Kappa Phi?

Yes, he is a founding brother of the Pi Kappa Phi chapter at Indiana and fellow journalism major! We worked together at a summer job in college. Great guy.

[33girl]

Sorry, but this sounds like someone being a cynical prick about a nice tradition - and I don't think the gay issue has anything to do with it. I've heard straight people say the same sorts of things (when there was no lavalier on the horizon). I also really detest when people act like if the NPHC doesn't do something they must be right. It's "sorry I'm white" self-loathing and completely ridiculous.

If you don't like it, don't do it. And the only letters you need to.worry about are your own. This article just makes him sound like a big whinypants.

ETA: I also love when people advocate premature marriage proposals just because they don't like lavaliering. If you would say the 2 are on the same level, you really just don't get it.

[DrPhil]

People have said similar things on GC over the years.

I don't know why he would care about an NPHC perspective but I don't see his response as "white self-loathing". I see it as needing support for his argument that lavaliering is outdated and dumb. It is probably less difficult to find such support in the GLO communities that are historically and predominantly racial and ethnic minorities.

Not like my opinion matters but the following is my perspective. I typically don't like traditions that I consider to be rooted in patriarchy and sexism disguised as "awww my partner gave me a loving gift through his GLO". But I can get over myself and not be too opposed to lavaliering--again, not like my opinion matters. I do believe that it should apply to same-sex couples IF some same-sex couples are interested. Not every same-sex couple is interested just as not every heterosexual couple is interested. If the same-sex partner is in another fraternity, he needs to defer to his fraternity's protocol and policies. If his fraternity frowns upon wearing another fraternity's symbols, do NOT do it. Being lavaliered by the man you love doesn't trump your own fraternity's policies and practices.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

People have said similar things on GC over the years.

I don't know why he would care about an NPHC perspective but I don't see his response as "white self-loathing". I see it as needing support for his argument that lavaliering is outdated and dumb.

Not like my opinion matters but I don't like any tradition rooted in patriarchy and sexism disguised as "awww my partner gave me a loving gift through his GLO". But I can get over myself and not be too opposed to lavaliering--again, not like my opinion matters. I do believe that it should apply to same-sex couples IF some same-sex couples are interested. Not every same-sex couple is interested just as not every heterosexual couple is interested. If the same-sex partner is in another fraternity, he needs to defer to his fraternity's protocol and policies. If his fraternity frowns upon wearing another fraternity's symbols, do NOT do it. Being lavaliered by the man you love doesn't trump your own fraternity's policies and practices.

This!

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I also really detest when people act like if the NPHC doesn't do something they must be right.

But we are right 33girl!!!! Didn't you get the memo?????

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

But we are right 33girl!!!! Didn't you get the memo?????

Stop white-shaming them!!! Stop!!!!!