Ohio teens guilty of rape, face year-plus in jail

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by StealthMode

2. I didn't realize that "digital penetration" counted as part of the definition of rape. I thought it would fall under molestation or lewd acts but, as it is some type of penetration, that makes sense. Legal buffs, has it always been included?

In most of the articles I've read about this, digital penetration is considered rape in Ohio.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

In most of the articles I've read about this, digital penetration is considered rape in Ohio.

As it should be. Placing a foreign object, should it be a penis, fingers or an inanimate object, in another person's vagina or anus without their consent is rape. Some jurisdictions may not be up to snuff on that, but the object inserted doesn't change the intrusion. You might say "you can't get pregnant with a finger." Men can't get pregnant but CAN be raped.

@Stealthmode, DBB's point about abstinence only education is that it only tells kids to wait until marriage instead of acknowledging the truth that teenagers are sexual beings who are experimenting with sex. It does not take the opportunity to discuss very important topics like consent, inability to form consent due to impairment from alcohol/drugs, etc, safe sex, as well as abstinence. Pretending like the vast majority of Americans aren't practicing pre-Marital sex (and haven't since the dawn of time) is counter productive and has led to high teen pregnancy rates in the states that are pushing abstinence only education.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

As it should be. Placing a foreign object, should it be a penis, fingers or an inanimate object, in another person's vagina or anus without their consent is rape. Some jurisdictions may not be up to snuff on that, but the object inserted doesn't change the intrusion. You might say "you can't get pregnant with a finger." Men can't get pregnant but CAN be raped.

@Stealthmode, DBB's point about abstinence only education is that it only tells kids to wait until marriage instead of acknowledging the truth that teenagers are sexual beings who are experimenting with sex. It does not take the opportunity to discuss very important topics like consent, inability to form consent due to impairment from alcohol/drugs, etc, safe sex, as well as abstinence. Pretending like the vast majority of Americans aren't practicing pre-Marital sex (and haven't since the dawn of time) is counter productive and has led to high teen pregnancy rates in the states that are pushing abstinence only education.

I wasn't saying that it shouldn't be--fortunately it was in Ohio; had this happened in another state, all they could have gotten was a slap on the wrist (videotaped documentation notwithstanding). Of course, with the way things are now, no state is going to expand their definition of rape.

This to me is less a failure of abstinence-only sex Ed than a signal that HS athletes are often placed on a pedestal where they feel they can do no wrong. My rants about the failure of abstinence-only sex Ed is for another time.

[StealthMode]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No, THIS is where you and I disagree: I don't see anything wrong with a "green light to sleep with everyone", assuming consent, risk minimization (condoms and BC), etc.

I didn't say anything about it being "wrong." The emphasis was on some people making the (incorrect) assumption that if teens are taught how to correctly use birth-control, there is no possible outcome other than they will all immediately start having massive amounts of sex.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I wasn't saying that it shouldn't be--fortunately it was in Ohio; had this happened in another state, all they could have gotten was a slap on the wrist (videotaped documentation notwithstanding). Of course, with the way things are now, no state is going to expand their definition of rape.

This to me is less a failure of abstinence-only sex Ed than a signal that HS athletes are often placed on a pedestal where they feel they can do no wrong. My rants about the failure of abstinence-only sex Ed is for another time.

I wasn't saying you were. just used your post as a jumping off point for my soapbox.