Sororities and Feminism

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Certainly. The Quiverfull group is just the extreme end of the anti-feminist spectrum and why I used them as an example. Women (and men) should have the option to stay home if they feel it's the best for their families, but it goes a little farther with this group.

You're being charitable when you say "a little farther."

[SWTXBelle]

There is a difference between the denotative meaning of the word and the connotative. Many women who are in fact described by the denotative meaning reject the term because of the connotative meaning.

As for me, Nora Ephron stated that I cannot be called a feminist because I am anti-abortion.( http://womenandhollywood.com/2010/10...e-on-feminism/) Fine. But the next time you read an article in which self-proclaimed feminists wring their hands because they can't understand why women who believe in equality won't call themselves feminists please understand that it may be because they were told believing in equality between the sexes wasn't enough.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

There is a difference between the denotative meaning of the word and the connotative. Many women who are in fact described by the denotative meaning reject the term because of the connotative meaning.

As for me, Nora Ephron stated that I cannot be called a feminist because I am anti-abortion.( http://womenandhollywood.com/2010/10...e-on-feminism/) Fine. But the next time you read an article in which self-proclaimed feminists wring their hands because they can't understand why women who believe in equality won't call themselves feminists please understand that it may be because they were told believing in equality between the sexes wasn't enough.

Some Republicans have said that you cannot be prochoice or gay or athiest and a Republican. Some Democrats have said you must be also prochoice, and they wanted it written into the party platform to make sure you knew they said it. The Pope has said that you cannot promote contraception and be Catholic, and yet some women use it all the time and do not think twice about it or calling themselves Catholic.

So why let it bother you what Nora Ephron thinks?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You're being charitable when you say "a little farther."

I suspect my brother and SIL are in this group so I have to be nice.

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I admit that I swallowed really, really hard when Sarah Palin said she was a feminist. It's not my job to say how she is allowed to label herself, but it's not the label I would use.

I would absolutely say Sarah Palin is a feminist. She may not hold to all tenets of feminism, but look where she has gotten in life. She was the first republican vice presidential candidate. Not too shabby, even if I can't stand her.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I would absolutely say Sarah Palin is a feminist. She may not hold to all tenets of feminism, but look where she has gotten in life. She was the first republican vice presidential candidate. Not too shabby, even if I can't stand her.

This is tricky, because Palin is a very much a "do as I say, not as I do" kinda politician. One look at her children and the sanctity of their marriages makes that clear.

[squirrely girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I would absolutely say Sarah Palin is a feminist.

OMG NO NO NO NO NO! NOT EVER!

One doesn't have to make specific choices for one's own life to be a feminist... but one sure as hell doesn't get to enact policies that limit women and still call themselves a feminist.

This is the woman that decided rape victims should pay for their own rape kits... ya know, to save money.

Sarah Palin is no more a feminist that those female twits that make a (really good) living telling women to get back in the kitchen.

As to the topic of abortion, I don't think it's mandatory that a person personally be okay with abortion, rather they shouldn't seek to deny other women that choice. Personally, I have pretty specific limits on my comfort with choosing abortion for myself (rape, threat to my life/health, fetal conditions incompatible with life) but I would never dream of forcing other women to live by my personal standards. It's pro-choice not pro-abortion... I choose what's best for me and my family and I have enough faith in other women to respect their ability to do the same.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

OMG NO NO NO NO NO! NOT EVER!

One doesn't have to make specific choices for one's own life to be a feminist... but one sure as hell doesn't get to enact policies that limit women and still call themselves a feminist.

This is the woman that decided rape victims should pay for their own rape kits... ya know, to save money.

Sarah Palin is no more a feminist that those female twits that make a (really good) living telling women to get back in the kitchen.

As to the topic of abortion, I don't think it's mandatory that a person personally be okay with abortion, rather they shouldn't seek to deny other women that choice. Personally, I have pretty specific limits on my comfort with choosing abortion for myself (rape, threat to my life/health, fetal conditions incompatible with life) but I would never dream of forcing other women to live my my personal standards. It's pro-choice not pro-abortion... I choose what's best for me and my family and I have enough faith in other women to respect their ability to do the same.

I have to disagree. You can have different political views and still be a feminist. She believes that women can hold equal positions that a man can including the presidency of the United States. A single issue like rape victims having to buy their own rape kits comes down to a Republican vs Democrat type issue and does not disqualify her as a feminist. I don't agree with a lot or practically anything she stands for, but she doesn't believe in holding women back to 1950s standards.