Cardinal Rule Broken by Our Greek Advisor ;-(

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Interesting. So although many of us find it distasteful, it isn't actually breaking a rule as stated. Probably back in the day NPC considered it a non-issue and hasn't been contested with them to date. If this is your sorority (I didn't read from the original that it is but I might have missed something), you might ask them for their input, but otherwise, it sounds like it is merely distasteful and not actually against the rules. I would try to change your mindset to one that values her variety of experience instead of treating it like an unfaithful spouse. It sounds like you otherwise like her so I'd try to get over it.

It was not breaking an NPC rule but whether it was breaking the NPHC sorority rule remains to be seen (even if the person claims that she was told that it does not break the rules). Based on websites alone, Delta is the only NPHC sorority that explicitly states that applicants cannot be a member of another NPHC or NPC sorority.*** I did not find this on the other NPHC sororities' websites. They may state this during rush/informational or to applicants in another fashion, including verbal and written form. Or, they may let anyone in who in they like and let people slip through the cracks--as SenusretI was talking about. If they slip through the cracks of the chapter, they may slip through the cracks of NHQ if there are no member lists to check.

***That in and of itself is nothing to declare a eureka moment over. The other NPHC sororities may or may not accept an initiated NPC member but, despite it not being explicitly stated on the sorority NHQ's websites, they DEFINITELY do not accept an initiated NPHC member (people whose record of initiation can be accessed by looking up their name in the sorority's records--most people initiated in the past 20 or so years have such records) if the NPHC membership is known. This is not explicitly stated on the non-Delta websites but that is still how they operate. Even if the chapters are being shady, the applications (unless these are underground initiates) have to go to NHQ and 99% of the time the names will be entered properly into databases.

[DubaiSis]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It was not breaking an NPC rule but whether it was breaking the NPHC sorority rule remains to be seen (even if the person claims that she was told that it does not break the rules).

While what you say is true, what it says to me is there is enough wiggle room in the rules here that she doesn't need to spend any more time worrying about it. We know what Delta's site says (thanks for that), and knowing there are no unanimous agreements among NPHC sororities (and fraternities, although they don't count in this case) on this subject, and knowing it is specifically not addressed in the NPC unanimous agreements, it gets too "looking for skeletons" for my comfort. Except in 1 case, it appears she is not breaking a rule from either NPC or NPHC. For the OP to spend more time researching to find out if the woman actually did break a rule seems counter-productive and unnecessarily busy-body'ish.

Prior to having this knowledge, I still would have said stay out of it, but would appreciate her discomfort with the situation. Now I say it was a good question to ask this forum because you were able to get good information. You have it - unless she's a Delta she hasn't broken a rule, so move on. And if she still finds it that distasteful, she should present this scenario to NPC and suggest the rules be rewritten for the future.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

While what you say is true, what it says to me is there is enough wiggle room in the rules here that she doesn't need to spend any more time worrying about it. We know what Delta's site says (thanks for that), and knowing there are no unanimous agreements among NPHC sororities (and fraternities, although they don't count in this case) on this subject, and knowing it is specifically not addressed in the NPC unanimous agreements, it gets too "looking for skeletons" for my comfort. Except in 1 case, it appears she is not breaking a rule from either NPC or NPHC. For the OP to spend more time researching to find out if the woman actually did break a rule seems counter-productive and unnecessarily busy-body'ish.

Prior to having this knowledge, I still would have said stay out of it, but would appreciate her discomfort with the situation. Now I say it was a good question to ask this forum because you were able to get good information. You have it - unless she's a Delta she hasn't broken a rule, so move on. And if she still finds it that distasteful, she should present this scenario to NPC and suggest the rules be rewritten for the future.

Not having a policy available to the general public does not constitute "wiggle room."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

While what you say is true, what it says to me is there is enough wiggle room in the rules here that she doesn't need to spend any more time worrying about it. We know what Delta's site says (thanks for that), and knowing there are no unanimous agreements among NPHC sororities (and fraternities, although they don't count in this case) on this subject, and knowing it is specifically not addressed in the NPC unanimous agreements, it gets too "looking for skeletons" for my comfort. Except in 1 case, it appears she is not breaking a rule from either NPC or NPHC. For the OP to spend more time researching to find out if the woman actually did break a rule seems counter-productive and unnecessarily busy-body'ish.

Prior to having this knowledge, I still would have said stay out of it, but would appreciate her discomfort with the situation. Now I say it was a good question to ask this forum because you were able to get good information. You have it - unless she's a Delta she hasn't broken a rule, so move on. And if she still finds it that distasteful, she should present this scenario to NPC and suggest the rules be rewritten for the future.

Re-read the part of my post with the asteriks. Something not being on 3 NPHC sororities' websites does not mean that there are no regulations. For instance, more often than not, an AKA initiated in the past 1-20 years would be damned if she tried to apply to become an SGRho. However, that specification is on neither's website for whatever reasons.

This issue is not about the NPC sorority's regulations. This issue is only about the NPHC sorority's regulations.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This issue is not about the NPC sorority's regulations. This issue is only about the NPHC sorority's regulations.

That's not necessarily true. It's not about the NPC Unanimous Agreement, but there still seems to be some question about whether the rules of a specific NPC org might have been violated. Of course, since the person in question didn't identify the NPC org involved, it's all speculation.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Based on websites alone, Delta is the only NPHC sorority that explicitly states that applicants cannot be a member of another NPHC or NPC sorority.*** I did not find this on the other NPHC sororities' websites. They may state this during rush/informational or to applicants in another fashion, including verbal and written form. Or, they may let anyone in who in they like and let people slip through the cracks--as SenusretI was talking about. If they slip through the cracks of the chapter, they may slip through the cracks of NHQ if there are no member lists to check.

This is why I do think it would be helpful for the OP to identify the NPHC org at issue. At least the status with regard to that organization, and whether there was clearly a rule violation involved or not, could perhaps be resolved.

ETA: I think this information could be helpful for the sake of possibly satisfying curiosity, but I agree that as far as actually doing anything with any information, the OP should let it go.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

This is why I do think it would be helpful for the OP to identify the NPHC org at issue. At least the status with regard to that organization, and whether there was clearly a rule violation involved or not, could perhaps be resolved.

That would not be solved solely based on websites.

Originally Posted by gee_ess

If the advisor was performing poorly at her job, conducting herself in a negative manner, misusing her connections with her NPHC group, the this might be a reason to raise a red flag. But, she is doing a fanastic job. The OP is on record as having raised the concern during the interview and the panel hired her anyway.


This is not a deal breaker for someone doing a good job. This information will only destroy a woman who obviously doesn't think/know she did anything wrong. The OP will be ruined for what looks to others like she is"making a mountain out of a molehill"

This is not about how well this person is doing on the job.

If she does not want people delving into her membership (which could include making sure she is even in an NPHC sorority), she should keep her membership(s) to herself. There are Greek Life Offices that hire nonGreeks and that verify the membership(s) of the Greeks they hire.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Run away. Run FAR away from the idea of getting involved.

It's frustrating to see people with questionable integrity in positions of authority. It's even worse when they are successful at what they do. Many of us have been there. But you really have nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose both now and in the future.

We're not talking a major moral obligation like child abuse, etc. Yes, it is dishonesty, but it's not of the same level that would obligate you to do something.

And I've learned first-hand that the truth always comes out in the end. Just let it come out naturally and she'll get what she (apparently) has coming.

[gee_ess]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

We're not talking a major moral obligation like child abuse, etc. Yes, it is dishonesty, but it's not of the same level that would obligate you to do something.

And I've learned first-hand that the truth always comes out in the end. Just let it come out naturally and she'll get what she (apparently) has coming.

YES!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That would not be solved solely based on websites.

No, but a member of the organization in question could perhaps shed some light if we knew which org it is.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, but a member of the organization in question could perhaps shed some light if we knew which org it is.

If we knew which organization it was, coupled with what we already know, that could very well do the OP in as far as her privacy is concerned.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

And if she still finds it that distasteful, she should present this scenario to NPC and suggest the rules be rewritten for the future.

GOOD LORD, YES!!!! I am shocked that this enormous hole exists in NPC policies with the expansion of other organizations.