12-year-old tased by police officer

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Iota Man

You don't know what I've seen.

You've certainly not had enough contact with law enforcement to understand that officers are going to place their safety #1 and that they should. One mistake can land an officer in the morgue. An officer would be foolish not to go into an arrest with someone with a record like the suspect here and not deploy a greater degree of force in order to keep control over the situation.

So either you're sheltered and have no realistic idea as to how badly the criminal subset can behave when confronted with folks in positions of authority or you tend to side with criminals over law enforcement because you have some sort of problem with authority. Either way.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin's reply to als463

You know nothing about me.

Originally Posted by Kevin's reply to Iota Man

You've certainly not had enough contact with law enforcement to understand that officers are going to place their safety #1 and that they should.

So either you're sheltered and have no realistic idea as to how badly the criminal subset can behave when confronted with folks in positions of authority or you tend to side with criminals over law enforcement because you have some sort of problem with authority. Either way.

IRONY ALERT!!!

Originally Posted by Kevin's reply to als463

I wasn't trying to be tasteful....

That much is obvious.

By the way, coward, stop pretending as though you attempted those sexual abuse jokes in response to Iota Man and me. By the way2, since you are delirious and therefore cannot read, stop fantasizing that I called you racist. That may be your life's dream but (as I have said tons of times on GC over the years) I do not call individuals racist. Iota Man called you racist and believes you are racist based on a previous thread.

[Kevin]

And maybe you can stop pretending that you weren't implying racism when you said I'd likely feel different if the girl had been white. If you want to clarify, go ahead, but that was certainly how it came across.

I never said the abuse joke was in reference to anything either of you said. Again, I guess you are the other two people in the world who have never laughed at an off-color, even bad joke. And to steal one from Jeffrey Ross, if you're offended, you could do as Paterno did and just look the other way.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And maybe you can stop pretending that you weren't implying racism....

Again, I guess you are the other two people in the world who have never laughed at an off-color, even bad joke.

Sigmund Freud would have a good time with you.


Since I used Google Images to find the image of the 12 year old girl on page 1 of this thread, have you Google Imaged "12 year old girl" yet? Almost all of the images on the first 5 pages of results are 12 year old white girls with a few Asian and other nonBlack girls. These are two of the first images of "12 year old girl" who are of the more immediate Black or African Diaspora:







Perhaps I needed to scour Google Images for a Black girl so that you can grasp the point being made--which does not instantly make it not about race since Black girls still have a race regardless of the discussion at hand. When you responded about white privilege and so forth, it confirmed what I assumed would happen. Now that you are over your imagination that I was calling you racist because of my effortless choice of a white 12 year old girl who actually looks under the age of 18 in Google Images, certainly you can grasp that images shape perceptions of demographic characteristics including age.

Certainly you can grasp that the media makes every effort to advertise the victimization of women and children who are often considered "beautiful," "innocent looking," and "adorable" based on mainstream standards which in turn shapes the mainstream/general public's response to the victimization of some people versus others. That has long been correlated with factors including but not limited to socioeconomic status and race and ethnicity. Even someone who believes "no one is holding you back but yourself" can grasp this. You even stated numerous times that it is difficult to gauge the age of girls and especially racial and ethnic minority girls. Rhetorical question1, how do you think that shapes perception and response from the general public and the media? Rhetorical question2, if there are some children who look their age and some children who look older than their age, and this has been linked to race and ethnicity, how does it not make sense to look at children in the same age group across races and ethnicities? Rhetorical question3, have not mainstream images of beauty and innocence around the world been linked for decades to socioeconomic status and race, ethnicity, and culture and been studied as they pertain to forms of crime and deviance and people's perceptions of crime and deviance?

"Where's the spoon?! Where's the spoon?!"

Originally Posted by Kevin

And to steal one from Jeffrey Ross, if you're offended, you could do as Paterno did and just look the other way.

Interesting. Yet you cannot get over what you imagine happened on page 1 of this thread.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Interesting. Yet you cannot get over what you imagine happened on page 1 of this thread.

Says the person quoting me in their signature.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Says the person quoting me in their signature.

You noticed that too, eh?

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by KKKevin

You know nothing about me.

LOL @ the irony in this shit.

Originally Posted by KKKevin

So either you're sheltered and have no realistic idea as to how badly the criminal subset can behave when confronted with folks in positions of authority or you tend to side with criminals over law enforcement because you have some sort of problem with authority. Either way.

Depends on the authority. Your post suggest that you also support this shit:

Dude was "breaking the law" and going against "authority".
http://youtu.be/ifCN7ezlDQg

They were "breaking the law" too.
http://youtu.be/o54n7HXwOhc

Dude "broke the law" by whistling at a white girl.
http://youtu.be/OMdSYxZqIXc

She "broke the law".
http://youtu.be/15p5HB-FpjI

It was the law then, so if you were around then since it's "breaking the law" and going "against authority", then you support that too. What your dumb, racist ass doesn't understand is times change, but people do not. It's the same shit, different day, you idiot.

Originally Posted by KKKevin

Reading comp fail.

LOL says the dumbass accusing DrPhil of calling him a racist. She never even suggested it.

Anybody seen my pom poms? Damn, I forgot, I shoved them up David Duke's ass.

[Kevin]

So you're going to compare a 12 year old who interfered in her drug trafficking convicted parent who was shopping at Victoria's Secret instead of paying outstanding traffic citations to Rosa Parks? Are you trying to suggest this was some sort of symbolic act of civil disobedience?

Huge fail. Epic.

LOL says the dumbass accusing DrPhil of calling him a racist. She never even suggested it.

Anybody seen my pom poms? Damn, I forgot, I shoved them up David Duke's ass.

DrPhil clearly needs you to defend her. We've hashed that one out already. Apparently I can't get off of page 1 and she can't get over something that was said in an entirely different thread.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Iota Man

LOL @ the irony in this shit.


Depends on the authority. Your post suggest that you also support this shit:

Dude was "breaking the law" and going against "authority".
http://youtu.be/ifCN7ezlDQg

They were "breaking the law" too.
http://youtu.be/o54n7HXwOhc

Dude "broke the law" by whistling at a white girl.
http://youtu.be/OMdSYxZqIXc

She "broke the law".
http://youtu.be/15p5HB-FpjI

It was the law then, so if you were around then since it's "breaking the law" and going "against authority", then you support that too. What your dumb, racist ass doesn't understand is times change, but people do not. It's the same shit, different day, you idiot.


LOL says the dumbass accusing DrPhil of calling him a racist. She never even suggested it.

Anybody seen my pom poms? Damn, I forgot, I shoved them up David Duke's ass.

Aha, the construction of law abiding behavior and authority. Well played.

I disagree with the bolded and underlined and your spelling of "KKKevin".

Originally Posted by Kevin

So you're going to compare a 12 year old who interfered in her drug trafficking convicted parent who was shopping at Victoria's Secret instead of paying outstanding traffic citations to Rosa Parks? Are you trying to suggest this was some sort of symbolic act of civil disobedience?

Huge fail. Epic.

No, Iota Man gave a general response to your failed assumption and your failed attempt at a general conclusion.

Huge success. Epic.

Originally Posted by Kevin

We've hashed that one out already. Apparently I can't get off of page 1....

You apparently could not get over it but now you know your interpretation was overwhelmingly a figment of your imagination.

In contrast, what you said in that other thread was not a figment of our imagination, it was interpeted exactly how you intended, and it remains applicable.

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by KKKevin

So you're going to compare a 12 year old who interfered in her drug trafficking convicted parent who was shopping at Victoria's Secret instead of paying outstanding traffic citations to Rosa Parks? Are you trying to suggest this was some sort of symbolic act of civil disobedience?

Huge fail. Epic.

LOL I knew you were going to come back with some dumb shit like this. No, I'm not comparing a 12 year old to Rosa Parks. I'm responding to your post. I'm trying to get your stupid ass to understand that "authority" doesn't always make the right decisions as this police officer who tased a 12 year old clearly didn't.

Your entire life is an Epic Fail. Go fuck yourself.

Originally Posted by KKKevin

DrPhil clearly needs you to defend her. blah blah blah............

DrPhil is capable of defending herself. She's clearly proven that in the last few pages going back and forth with your dumbass.

Sit down and shut up, man.

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I disagree with the bolded and underlined and your spelling of "KKKevin".

But dude is GC very own Grand Wizard.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Iota Man

But dude is GC very own Grand Wizard.

Nope. Not even close. Kevin says things that I disagree with (along with things that I agree with) and is clueless about certain topics. That is not the crux of racism or the Ku Klux Klan.

As entertaining as this all is, I would like to know why Kevin seems to be cyber-"mad" at me. LOL. Tell 'em why ya "mad", Kevin.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Nope. Not even close. Kevin says things that I disagree with (along with things that I agree with) and is clueless about certain topics. That is not the crux of racism or the Ku Klux Klan.

As entertaining as this all is, I would like to know why Kevin seems to be cyber-"mad" at me. LOL. Tell 'em why ya "mad", Kevin.

Okay, first, sorry to lump you in with Iota. I'm still butthurt over page 1 of this thread. I took that as kind of an out-of-the-blue accusation that you believed I'm only fine with this because the alleged victim here is black. I still don't see any other reasonable way to interpret what was done there, but I'm over it.

For what it's worth, I've learned a lot over the years from you regarding racial issues. I just tend to (as you may have picked up) disagree with a lot of what you've said... and before you ask for specifics, I can't even think of anything specific at the moment.

Aside from that, I have no problems with you. Hatchet buried.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I still don't see any other reasonable way to interpret what was done there, but I'm over it.

If you have not already done so, read my explanation in my edited "where's the spoon" post.

Long story short, I'm all for jokes and amusement but I was curious about why you insisted on convincing yourself that I was calling you racist despite the fact that I do not give much credit to individual racism. Also, someone does not have to be racist, classist, heterosexist, ageist, sexist, or (insert other -isms) to consciously and/or subconsciously conform to mainstream images of beauty, youth, innocence, and harmlessness that are attached to demographic characteristics. This has been a component of societies long before the contemporary media existed. We all conform at times and we constantly have to challenge these images and our acceptance of these images. Such is life. The crimes showcased on HLN's evening shows are sometimes considered an illustration of this as is some of the discussion in that GC thread about Casey Anthony.

Thread Cliff Notes for GCers who are trying to keep up and wondering "what in the hell":

Some GCers were posting about whether people believed there are reasons to ever tase children and are there legal and extralegal factors that shape people's opinions. Does the child have to be engaged in certain behaviors? Does the child have to possess a weapon? Does it have to be a certain type of weapon? What happens if the child has a physical, mental, or emotional condition? Does the child have to be a certain age, income level, education level, family type, style of dress, or possess other traits that people can label "harmful" or "future offender" versus "innocent" or "too pretty/adorable/cutesy" to be a threat.

These are among the things that law enforcement officers deal with during training and during actual incidents. These are also the things that the general public deals with and should think about.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

If you have not already done so, read my explanation in my edited "where's the spoon" post.

I certainly would have taken it differently had you attached some sort of explanation. As it stood at the time.. well, we've been over that.

Long story short, I'm all for jokes and amusement but I was curious about why you insisted on convincing yourself that I was calling you racist despite the fact that I do not give much credit to individual racism.

It seemed the simplest explanation for what I was seeing... the implication seemed to be that the difference in the two pictures was that one 12-year old was black and the other white and that I'd have a big problem if the police officer was tasing the white girl.

Let me make it clear--I'd be happy to see that little blonde hellion tased if she was doing what this officer's report indicated the young lady in the OP was doing, and that if all she got was tased (not charged with a crime), she's had a pretty good day.

Also, someone does not have to be racist, classist, heterosexist, ageist, sexist, or (insert other -isms) to consciously and/or subconsciously conform to mainstream images of beauty, youth, innocence, and harmlessness that are attached to demographic characteristics. This has been a component of societies long before the contemporary media existed. We all conform at times and we constantly have to challenge these images and our acceptance of these images. Such is life. The crimes showcased on HLN's evening shows are sometimes considered an illustration of this as is some of the discussion in that GC thread about Casey Anthony.
Thread Cliff Notes for GCers who are trying to keep up and wondering "what in the hell":

That's maybe where we part ways. I do think that facts and actions can be looked at in a vacuum. Of course, when I do something like counsel a black client on taking a plea vs. trial, I'm not an idiot. Race is going to be a factor whether he's innocent or guilty. The challenge attorneys have to overcome is to not make that recommendation because of our own prejudices, but to be realistic about the sort of jury you're going to pick, i.e., likely to be all white folks with driver's licenses who were unresourceful enough not to get out of jury duty.

Some GCers were posting about whether people believed there are reasons to ever tase children and are there legal and extralegal factors that shape people's opinions. Does the child have to be engaged in certain behaviors? Does the child have to possess a weapon? Does it have to be a certain type of weapon? What happens if the child has a physical, mental, or emotional condition? Does the child have to be a certain age, income level, education level, family type, style of dress, or possess other traits that people can label "harmful" or "future offender" versus "innocent" or "too pretty/adorable/cutesy" to be a threat.

Tasing is done both for the subject and the officer's safety. There should have to be some cause, but certainly, the factors above cannot be considered in an instant. It's a judgment call and we have to hope that police forces (yes, this is a laugher and I know it) police themselves internally enough to get rid of consistent bad actors. The recommendation that this incident gets reported to internal affairs will at least allow someone to scrutinize this officer's file. If he has a long history of questionable force, he might merit further scrutiny.

Obviously the incident I posted a link presented a clearly unacceptable tasing incident wherein a bedridden old lady was tased 5 times and had her oxygen hose stepped on which deprived her of oxygen during some sort of an arrest where five officers were present.