Chick-fil-a Support Day and Free Speech

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Homosexuality isn't a political issue at all. The political issue comes into play when people like you see homosexuals as second class citizens not worthy of equal protection of rights as heterosexual citizens.

Considering gay marriage is now an issue on many state ballots, where one is asked to vote for or against it, then yeah, it got to be pretty political at that point.

Your statements about how a white homosexual male could never be as oppressed as you is quite bold as well. In all seriousness, how the hell do you know? Everyone's journey is different in life and not everyone can "hide under the radar" like you assume they can or even choose to do. I really don't want to get into the Oppression Olympics here but I personally have gay friends that have been disowned from their families, have been forced out of their careers, have been arrested, have been gay-bashed so bad that they were hospitalized all based solely on their sexuality so your comment about how none of these individuals know oppression really ANNOYS me.

It has been a while since I had to take a US history and US government class, but as far as I remember, I never read or came across any moment in US history from the early - mid 1600's to today, where gays were forced into servitude just because they were gay. Nor do I recall any law needing to be passed to allows gays the right to vote because they were denied the right to vote simply because they are gay.

I agree with you on what you said above. Those are examples of oppression. But, when I see White gays hold up banners with pictures from the 1960's Black Civil Rights Movement trying to proclaim that they have suffered the same fate, that I don't buy.

I'm not saying that there have not, and are not, clear instances where someone has been oppressed simply because they are gay. What I'm saying is there has never been in the history of this Nation such a systematic and at a period of time forced by law, oppression of gays to the same extent experienced by Black people in this country.

[AlphaFrog]

So systematic oppression is the only oppression that makes you officially oppressed?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

So systematic oppression is the only oppression that makes you officially oppressed?

No. As I've said, my issue comes when White gays try to use images and similarities to the Black Civil Rights Movement as a foundation to push forward their agenda.

I just don't see the two as being the same level, extent, degree of oppression.

[NutBrnHair]

I will continue to eat at Chick-fil-A from time to time, but I definitely didn't want to support them yesterday.

[DrPhil]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...l-experts-say/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=16912978

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...from-huckabee/

I do not know whether a "kiss in" makes much sense but, if it happens, I hope it is peaceful and not obnoxious. I don't want to see a bunch of people sitting around kissing, heterosexual or homosexual. Maybe same-sex married couples should peacefully go to Chick-Fil-A and have some waffle fries. Perhaps that does not make sense either--a boycott may make the most sense. LOL.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...l-experts-say/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=16912978

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...from-huckabee/

I do not know whether a "kiss in" makes much sense but, if it happens, I hope it is peaceful and not obnoxious. I don't want to see a bunch of people sitting around kissing, heterosexual or homosexual. Maybe same-sex married couples should peacefully go to Chick-Fil-A and have some waffle fries. Perhaps that does not make sense either--a boycott may make the most sense. LOL.

Yeah, I think a Kiss-in would not go over so well in the South.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...l-experts-say/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=16912978

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...from-huckabee/

I do not know whether a "kiss in" makes much sense but, if it happens, I hope it is peaceful and not obnoxious. I don't want to see a bunch of people sitting around kissing, heterosexual or homosexual. Maybe same-sex married couples should peacefully go to Chick-Fil-A and have some waffle fries. Perhaps that does not make sense either--a boycott may make the most sense. LOL.

I'm probably way too cynical about the motivation here, but I think that some of the kiss-in advocates are hoping for a really hostile reaction which they will then be able to publicize as evidence of Chick-fil-a's homophobia.

Generally, I don't expect that to be the outcome. I think you'll get 99% + Chick-fil-a personnel AND customers behaving fine.

But I'm a little concerned about idiotic members of the public deciding that this is their chance to get some attention and then efforts being made to suggest that those idiots are representative of Chick-fil-a somehow.

Even if there are some confrontations that get a lot of media play, I doubt it helps same sex marriage advocates much.

ETA: I understand not wanting to increase Chick-fil-a profits that then go to Winshape and through Winshape to groups that support heterosexual families over same sex families. But it would almost seem to me that if you expect a Chick-fil-a boycott to be effective somehow beyond just the initial awareness campaign, it would have made sense to have a Friends of Same Sex Marriage Chick-fil-a Day before you started the boycott. That way you could demonstrate the level of support that was likely to be withdrawn, and local operators could appreciate how many people they know would prefer Chick-fil-a back off the issue. Who knows if it would really matter? But it just seems like a better way to achieve long term ends than seeming to instigate a lot of polarizing rhetoric.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I'm probably way too cynical about the motivation here, but I think that some of the kiss-in advocates are hoping for a really hostile reaction which they will then be able to publicize as evidence of Chick-fil-a's homophobia.

Generally, I don't expect that to be the outcome. I think you'll get 99% + Chick-fil-a personnel AND customers behaving fine.

But I'm a little concerned about idiotic members of the public deciding that this is their chance to get some attention and then efforts being made to suggest that those idiots are representative of Chick-fil-a somehow.

Even if there are some confrontations that get a lot of media play, I doubt it helps same sex marriage advocates much.

ETA: I understand not wanting to increase Chick-fil-a profits that then go to Winshape and through Winshape to groups that support heterosexual families over same sex families. But it would almost seem to me that if you expect a Chick-fil-a boycott to be effective somehow beyond just the initial awareness campaign, it would have made sense to have a Friends of Same Sex Marriage Chick-fil-a Day before you started the boycott. That way you could demonstrate the level of support that was likely to be withdrawn, and local operators could appreciate how many people they know would prefer Chick-fil-a back off the issue. Who knows if it would really matter? But it just seems like a better way to achieve long term ends than seeming to instigate a lot of polarizing rhetoric.

I don't think having a day set aside to give more money to a company you oppose would be an effective way to decrease the amount of money they have to give to the charities and hate groups that are at the center of this controversy.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I don't think having a day set aside to give more money to a company you oppose would be an effective way to decrease the amount of money they have to give to the charities and hate groups that are at the center of this controversy.

I guess I feel like there are a lot of people out there who don't oppose the company, but who may oppose only the company's advocacy in this area.

I think tapping this group is more likely to really impact who Chick-fil-a gives too. And a sort of positive approach could swing more people in the middle than a polarizing one.

But certainly, I don't expect boycotters to compromise and give CFA money. ETA: it's just that this group of boycotters is likely to be such a small segment of Chick-fil-a's customers as to not hurt most stores very much. The stores more likely to be affected are the stores probably least into the whole corporate ideology. So boycotters will get individual satisfaction in acting on their beliefs but won't achieve much broader success.