Starting a fraternity chapter, looking for advice part 2

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Our school was the 3rd largest in the state, but still viewed as a commuter school. <4% Greek Life. The school has really been growing over the last 10 years. Still #3, but much better academics, in a better Division II conference (MIAA). We were the first new fraternity in decades and they added another 2 years after we colonized.

It sounds like you probably have a better raw situation than we did. Your campus seems pretty ripe for expansion.

Wow that is interesting. I go to a D1 school but it really feels like a D2 one since we are one of the worse schools in most athletics. I've been reading something the school posted called "the strategic plan" which is funny since the beginning document says pretty much blasts the Greek life for being unproductive and how it needs to change".

Theres supposed to be a huge change to the greek life over the next 5 years. It has slowly gotten better, even though the stats of the current organizations are skewed (and I know for a fact they are) and it looks as they were more improvements than they actually should be.

Originally Posted by PSKsilver

I cannot wait for "Starting a fraternity chapter, looking for advice part 3" to pop up in the next couple of days.


Anyway, I guess I can offer some help. And I'm a guy, so by your logic, you have to listen to me, right?


1st, the definition of a troll a la wikipedia.


"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"


So far, in both part 1 and part 2, I have seen no trolls at all.


2nd, if you don't think it is worthwhile to do a very important step/any step in the right direction, then forget about it. Yes, it is very worth it to start trying summer rush, and many people have told you why it is and how it might benefit you.


3rd, your definition of "sketchy" seems to be people who party a lot. You are kinda being superficial there, which is something you said that the fraternities that already exist are, so hey, what do you know, you are a perfect fit for them. By the way, have you tried rushing those fraternities yet?


Also, as a side note, http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...57#post2140557

If you think that dirty rushing is a-ok, I don't think you have no right to determine what's sketchy or not.

4th, and last, and not least bit of Silver advice, listen to the women. Just because they have more balls than you does not mean that you can't take their very good advice.

Considering half of these posts are of memes and nobody actually saying anything, I don't care to respond to half of them. When someone makes a post about my spelling I can't take them seriously since it has nothing to do with anything and is clearly spam (even though you may think its not, lets be honest, its not as important as you want to believe).

2nd, the sketchyness, you have no idea. I dealt with people who were lying about things and not coming around. How are you to make these judgments with again not even really knowing anything?

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Ok, so let me see if I have this right...

1). Starts thread asking for advice about starting a fraternity chapter
2). Receives good advice from both men and women
3). Dismisses that good advice
4). Closes thread
5). Starts new thread, and says advice from women isn't welcome
6). Complains that women aren't contributing anything useful to the conversation

He gets our advice, dismisses it (and us altogether), and now he wants it again?

What's sad is that if he didn't blow all of us off, he might have learned that I come from a chapter that struggled (with less than 19 members the entire time I was active), which did recruitment much like fraternities do, that I was the Recruitment Advisor for that chapter, and that I have a ton of good ideas I could have thrown his way.

Oh well.

Well again when you sit there and post a bunch of nonsense and dont get straight to the point, of course I am not going to take anything you say seriously.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Did you read my (or any of the other ladies') posts AT ALL? I mean, actually read and process what they were saying? No one is telling you to run this like a sorority, rush like a sorority, or do things regarding expansion like a sorority. If that were the case, every single female - including me - would be saying "Don't put a lot of thought/time into this until you go to the Greek Life office, ask about numbers/total/quota over the past several years, and see if the campus is open for expansion." That's how NPC sororities expand and NO ONE has said that to you.

Your misogynistic attitude combined with your laziness is just ridiculous, and neither is an attribute that a colonizing member of any GLO needs to have.

Really, your not even listening to anything I have to say. I've explained before what my efforts have been and to you, it's just went over your head. I've said it before the campus has been open to expansion and have said things like "the quality of greek life at my school is low" and "the university reflects this in that university life is low, yet the school is looking to change this". Really, stop judging **** until you actually take some time to learn some facts. Your not being as helpful as you like to believe.

Originally Posted by 33girl

I wouldn't assume either. Greater autonomy in colonization efforts may = greater autonomy in running the chapter in general, and more room to adjust things to how a growing commuter campus works. In other words, this group isn't going to be all up their asses about having 50 guys (when that is unrealistic for the campus) and a Greek Revival style house and 6 intramural teams because Big School Chapter does, etc etc. but by that same token, they are going to expect the men involved to be self-starters.

IMO, if that's the way they roll, it seems like they are cutting him LOTS of slack if they haven't already cut him loose after a year and only 4 guys involved.

Again, more people have been involved along the way but dropped since we haven't went anywhere and **** has happened. 4 guys are just close to the situation really at htis point.

Originally Posted by 33girl

He didn't specify what kind of fraternities they were, so I think to assume that 3 NIC fraternities came to do ground-up colonizations at a school with (according to him) very little Greek tradition or support is folly. I think that to assume that he knows this for a fact (i.e. the students didn't initiate the efforts) is also folly.

Its NIC and I don't see why you have this chip on your shoulder thinking I am making this up. As I said many times, greek life at my school is nothing right now, I'm interested in improving it. If your not interesting in helping me improve it, then you might as well not waste your time responding back.