The Murder of Trayvon Martin

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

He was arrested? I hadn't heard that. Earlier reports that I've read stated that he was never detained and he was pretty much allowed to go straight home from the shooting.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a hoax put on by the media to fuck with us and there was no shooting and Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never existed.

But all seriousness, I think I'm going to refrain from reading into any new "leaks" or "eye-witness accounts" and just wait for the official report to come out because all of the misinformation is just getting annoying.

Which is what everyone should've done to begin with instead of drawing conclusions on their own. We're all guilty of this but we all also need to remember innocent till proven guilty. I have a feeling that he will eventually be arrested and charged, they're just investigating everything to a T so they don't end up with another Casey Anthony situation. It's the same as a murder investigation going on in Grosse Pointe up here. Why hasn't the husband been arrested yet? Probably because they don't wana eff things up.

Another child was found murdered this morning in Detroit. It's beginning to be one almost every week now. I'd love to see the outpouring for Detroit's children that this case is getting.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Which is what everyone should've done to begin with instead of drawing conclusions on their own. We're all guilty of this but we all also need to remember innocent till proven guilty. I have a feeling that he will eventually be arrested and charged, they're just investigating everything to a T so they don't end up with another Casey Anthony situation. It's the same as a murder investigation going on in Grosse Pointe up here. Why hasn't the husband been arrested yet? Probably because they don't wana eff things up.

Another child was found murdered this morning in Detroit. It's beginning to be one almost every week now. I'd love to see the outpouring for Detroit's children that this case is getting.

Are you talking about the woman that was found in the trunk of her car? I remember seeing the story on FB about a month ago but I hadn't anything since.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Which is what everyone should've done to begin with instead of drawing conclusions on their own. We're all guilty of this but we all also need to remember innocent till proven guilty. I have a feeling that he will eventually be arrested and charged, they're just investigating everything to a T so they don't end up with another Casey Anthony situation. It's the same as a murder investigation going on in Grosse Pointe up here. Why hasn't the husband been arrested yet? Probably because they don't wana eff things up.

I disagree. In this case, particularly, it's an open question as to whether this case would even have reached this point without the policitial/social media pressure that has been brought to bear. As it is, we have seen 32 days come and go since Trayvon Martin's death and still are without an arrest. I can't think of a parent who would give a da*m about anybody else's conclusions were they living that nightmare.

Opinions flow freely on GC and in the nation. Excluding the jurors, people can and do draw conclusions about a wide range of things. This thread won't hurt anybody's defense nor will it prove/disprove anybody's innocence. It does, however, give those capable and interested the opportunity to explore issues at a deeper level.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Are you talking about the woman that was found in the trunk of her car? I remember seeing the story on FB about a month ago but I hadn't anything since.

Yeah Rick it's pretty crazy. The husband obviously took advantage of a man who had mental disabilities and violence/creepy problems, promised him things to kill his wife. But the husband hasn't been arrested yet, despite the blood found in the garage and all details the man confessed to pretty much being proven. People were pissed but I think the authorities just don't wana screw something up.

Originally Posted by TonyB06

I disagree. In this case, particularly, it's an open question as to whether this case would even have reached this point without the policitial/social media pressure that has been brought to bear. As it is, we have seen 32 days come and go since Trayvon Martin's death and still are without an arrest. I can't think of a parent who would give a da*m about anybody else's conclusions were they living that nightmare.

Opinions flow freely on GC and in the nation. Excluding the jurors, people can and do draw conclusions about a wide range of things. This thread won't hurt anybody's defense nor will it prove/disprove anybody's innocence. It does, however, give those capable and interested the opportunity to explore issues at a deeper level.

Tony, his parents obviously do care. They are making their rounds and getting his name copywritten so they can make money off the t-shirts. Anyone I know who's child was murdered would be too distraught to travel around and make appearances, but I guess people mourn in different ways.

I wasn't talking about GC drawing conclusions. Everyone is having a discussion and sometimes debating facts. I'm talking about the public as a whole, and when Al, Jesse, the New Black Panther party (everytime I think of it, it reminds me of Forrest Gump), Spike Lee's dumbass, and all these other celebrities speaking out and convicting someone before all the fact are out there. That brings it to a whole new level. For these celebrities and politicians, it's just something to make them look good. Something to "stand up for". If they really cared about young black men being murdered, then get your asses out there and DO something about it.

I don't know what's going on in other towns, but like I mentioned before there is a child murdered almost every week in Detroit because of gang violence or whatever other reason people feel the need to play God. Two women were kidnapped by one's ex boyfriend and their bodies were just found. But Jesse comes here NOT to fight against the violence in our town, but to stand up for the Detroiters who are fighting against having an Emergency Financial Manager because they're afraid their union goodies will be taken away and all their corruption will be stopped.

These celebrities have other agendas, and that's to jump on board with whatever cause is going to make them look good. It's sickening and they, and the media, are making a circus show of this boy's death. I mean really, how do you take Mike Tyson talking about this situation seriously after watching The Hangover?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

For these celebrities and politicians, it's just something to make them look good. Something to "stand up for". If they really cared about young black men being murdered, then get your asses out there and DO something about it.

You need to educate yourself on what social activists like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been doing. Both Sharpton and Jackson are still quite active. You can disagree with them all you want to but saying that these vocal people are not DOING something is completely false.

Moreover, when it comes to Black people and racial and ethnic minorities in general, the public expects for everything to be an overt, public announcement of activity. "ALERT!! ALERT!! Black people are doing positive things in the community!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!!!" That is not how it works the majority of the time. There are both overt and more subtle actions and moves toward change being taken by social activists, community leaders, researchers, etc. These positive moves toward social change take decades to come to fruition and they do not require the general public's seal of approval.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

But Jesse comes here NOT to fight against the violence in our town, but to stand up for the Detroiters who are fighting against having an Emergency Financial Manager because they're afraid their union goodies will be taken away and all their corruption will be stopped.

Again, you need to educate yourself on what Jesse Jackson does:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/...ms-never-came/

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/...arlie-langton/

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...esse_jack.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1179946.html

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Tony, his parents obviously do care. They are making their rounds and getting his name copywritten so they can make money off the t-shirts. Anyone I know who's child was murdered would be too distraught to travel around and make appearances, but I guess people mourn in different ways.

They are raising money and perhaps they really want to prevent other people (including crazy tshirt makers and club promoters) from defaming Trayvon Martin and making money off of his name. They would probably prefer having Trayvon Martin over having this money.


The Martin family are not the first family to make media appearances (and have their attorney make appearances) in the midst of tragedy. Families do that all of the time and that includes appearance on shows like Good Morning America. Are you positive that anyone you know whose child was murdered, and they feel strongly about this murder and bringing justice, would be too distraught to travel and make appearances? You do not know that.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Tony, his parents obviously do care. They are making their rounds and getting his name copywritten so they can make money off the t-shirts. Anyone I know who's child was murdered would be too distraught to travel around and make appearances, but I guess people mourn in different ways.

I wasn't talking about GC drawing conclusions. Everyone is having a discussion and sometimes debating facts. I'm talking about the public as a whole, and when Al, Jesse, the New Black Panther party (everytime I think of it, it reminds me of Forrest Gump), Spike Lee's dumbass, and all these other celebrities speaking out and convicting someone before all the fact are out there. That brings it to a whole new level. For these celebrities and politicians, it's just something to make them look good. Something to "stand up for". If they really cared about young black men being murdered, then get your asses out there and DO something about it.

PM Mama,
Dr. Phil's posts 140, 141 answered you more ably than I would have so I'll let her words stand here, but I find it odd that you would castigate Trayvon's parents for "making the rounds." In the face of a police department whose behavior, based on what's known, has been shady from the jump, the parents should called for national help/exposure sooner.

I mean, why would the police let this boys' parents anguish for 3 days while they had his body in the morgue? They knew who he was because they put his name, address and cell phone number on the initial police report? That's foul. Add to it the already previously engendered mistrust of the police by this local community and why would any one trust them at face value?

You have no idea why they've copywritten his name/image. I trust you've seen the character-assassination he's undergone (his tweets, his private school records made public, ...gasp his tatoos?) none of which have anything to do with how he died. I commend his parents for not having slapped the isht out of somebody.

You're very quick to draw conclusions about his parents', Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton's motives. That's fine. It's America. I'd be interested to read your thoughts on why Trayvon's public records made it so quickly to the public space?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

PM Mama,
Dr. Phil's posts 140, 141 answered you more ably than I would have so I'll let her words stand here, but I find it odd that you would castigate Trayvon's parents for "making the rounds." In the face of a police department whose behavior, based on what's known, has been shady from the jump, the parents should called for national help/exposure sooner.

I mean, why would the police let this boys' parents anguish for 3 days while they had his body in the morgue? They knew who he was because they put his name, address and cell phone number on the initial police report? That's foul. Add to it the already previously engendered mistrust of the police by this local community and why would any one trust them at face value?

You have no idea why they've copywritten his name/image. I trust you've seen the character-assassination he's undergone (his tweets, his private school records made public, ...gasp his tatoos?) none of which have anything to do with how he died. I commend his parents for not having slapped the isht out of somebody.

You're very quick to draw conclusions about his parents', Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton's motives. That's fine. It's America. I'd be interested to read your thoughts on why Trayvon's public records made it so quickly to the public space?

I found great irony in PM_Mama's post.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Tony, his parents obviously do care. They are making their rounds and getting his name copywritten so they can make money off the t-shirts. Anyone I know who's child was murdered would be too distraught to travel around and make appearances, but I guess people mourn in different ways.

Martin's case has been compared to Emmett Till's case.

Have you ever read about what his mother did in arranging his funeral services?

When your child violently precedes one in death, it's not uncommon for those in mourning to do what they can to see to it that another parent won't go through what's happening now and what happened then.

EDIT: Spike settles with couple regarding his gaffe