NYU Alpha Sigma Tau: Some chapter Sisters Dismissed

[naraht]

Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ElieM

How did this work with Popular Poppie's birthday party where she has a massive party and invites, along with all her other campus friends, all her sisters to a party?

Originally Posted by naraht

Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

They have to follow the rules set down by their organization. Beer being sold by the Washington Redskins isn't the problem. The major problem is the lack of respect for rules while the chapter is on probation. A lot of things are ignored when chapters have a history of following the rules, but when a chapter shows they refuse to follow any of the rules...

[ASTalumna06]

I have a question..

This JUST happened, correct? So why is initiation in January? Is NYU running on a quarter or trimester system, rather than semesters?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by naraht

Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

Nobody would be in trouble, but it would be a chapter event, and thus subject to the rules of a chapter event. On my campus, that means that you had to do certain paperwork in advance and follow certain rules regarding alcohol.

That said, I come from a campus where chapters were usually 150+, so you'd have to hit 50 women to be at the 1/3 of a chapter mark. It's a bit of a stretch to think that 50+ women would coordinate to do something that wasn't officially a chapter event and/or planned well in advance.

Also, if 51 women go to a Giants game without filling out paperwork, and NOTHING GOES WRONG, it probably doesn't register as a blip on anyone's radar...CPH doesn't care, HQ doesn't care, etc. It's when 51 women go to a Giants game and one of them is rushed to the hospital for alcohol poisoning that suddenly we have a problem on our hands.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I have a question..

This JUST happened, correct? So why is initiation in January? Is NYU running on a quarter or trimester system, rather than semesters?

No, it happened last fall. Apparently the site that ran the article just found out about it and ran with the story based on the information provided only by expelled members.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The major problem is the lack of respect for rules while the chapter is on probation. A lot of things are ignored when chapters have a history of following the rules, but when a chapter shows they refuse to follow any of the rules...

This. In chapters that are in trouble, there's frequently this culture of trying to get around the rules with what the misbehaving members believe are technicalities. It wasn't their party so it shouldn't count. They don't believe the organization is serious about the consequences, especially when they continue to misbehave in large numbers. No one would ever expel that many members, right? They should have consulted with women who were once members of the Theta chapter at JHU. They thought they were smarter than their organization as well.

[33girl]

I don't think it has anything to do with being "smarter than their organization." I just think the rule in general is stupid. It also sounded like this party was held at a nightclub, not the fraternity's house (i.e. 3rd party vendor in play).

At any rate...it might have been better to close the chapter completely rather than to cause a divide in the sisterhood like this. The 25% left (who I'm betting are fairly new sisters) have a huge task ahead of them to rebuild the chapter, and I would hope that they get above and beyond the normal amount of help to do so.

[victoriana]

Originally Posted by 33girl

At any rate...it might have been better to close the chapter completely rather than to cause a divide in the sisterhood like this. The 25% left (who I'm betting are fairly new sisters) have a huge task ahead of them to rebuild the chapter, and I would hope that they get above and beyond the normal amount of help to do so.

As far as I know, that's the plan. Before all this happened, the NYU chapter was doing great. The goal is to get it back to where it needs to be

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't think it has anything to do with being "smarter than their organization." I just think the rule in general is stupid. It also sounded like this party was held at a nightclub, not the fraternity's house (i.e. 3rd party vendor in play).

At any rate...it might have been better to close the chapter completely rather than to cause a divide in the sisterhood like this. The 25% left (who I'm betting are fairly new sisters) have a huge task ahead of them to rebuild the chapter, and I would hope that they get above and beyond the normal amount of help to do so.

You may find the rule stupid, but a chapter that is a risk management problem is an insurance nightmare for the entire organization. Someone gets hurt at this party, and AST becomes liable regardless of where the party was held and who supposedly sponsored it. As to whether or not the chapter should have been closed, NYU is a very valuable asset for an organization, and I'm sure they will try everything they can to make this chapter survive. I don't blame them for trying. With that being said, that doesn't include letting the chapter members threaten the welfare of members or the reputation of the organization.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I just think the rule in general is stupid.

While I get the RM/liability/Insurance issues, I concur. Especially if the rule is "routinely" ignored for chapters in good/ok standing.

For smaller chapters, this rule can b/c a nightmare when just trying to just hang out.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

While I get the RM/liability/Insurance issues, I concur. Especially if the rule is "routinely" ignored for chapters in good/ok standing.

For smaller chapters, this rule can b/c a nightmare when just trying to just hang out.

EXACTLY. It was obviously passed by people thinking only of huge schools and huge chapters. And (like many RM rules) it is not enforced equally across the board.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

While I get the RM/liability/Insurance issues, I concur. Especially if the rule is "routinely" ignored for chapters in good/ok standing.

For smaller chapters, this rule can b/c a nightmare when just trying to just hang out.

This is the problem with a rule like this. While I was a collegiate member, we had 19 members at the most. One semester, we were down to 9. Depending on the semester, anywhere from 3-6 sisters hanging out would have been considered an "official sorority event.". Because of this, I'd be willing to bet that between Spring 2004 and Fall 2006, we probably had between 500 and 1,000 sorority events.

I don't know what the alternative is, but it gets a little ridiculous for smaller chapters.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

This is the problem with a rule like this. While I was a collegiate member, we had 19 members at the most. One semester, we were down to 9. Depending on the semester, anywhere from 3-6 sisters hanging out would have been considered an "official sorority event.". Because of this, I'd be willing to bet that between Spring 2004 and Fall 2006, we probably had between 500 and 1,000 sorority events.

I don't know what the alternative is, but it gets a little ridiculous for smaller chapters.

Heck, you may have had course lectures that counted as "official sorority event"s.