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exlurker 01-26-2012 08:56 PM

NYU Alpha Sigma Tau: Some chapter Sisters Dismissed
 
According to a recently-posted article, at NYU (New York University) Alpha Sigma Tau HQ dismissed 49 chapter members, whereupon another 19 resigned in solidarity.

All this apparently stemmed from attendance at a fraternity event where alcohol was available / served.

For more details and comments, see article posted Jan. 26, 2012:

http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2012/0...ers-dismissed/

33girl 01-26-2012 09:17 PM

If people other than the sorority and fraternity members were at the event, as it sounds they were, how on earth can you consider it a mixer? Mixers are by definition private parties between a fraternity and a sorority. It sounds like these guys just rented a place and anyone - including nonstudents - could attend. This would be kind of like saying that if everyone in the sorority went to a Giants game and everyone in a fraternity went there, that IT was a mixer.

Psi U MC Vito 01-26-2012 09:31 PM

Is this the same event that person posted Youtube videos about?

violetpretty 01-26-2012 09:44 PM

There has to be more to this.

WCsweet<3 01-26-2012 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2121332)
Is this the same event that person posted Youtube videos about?

I believe so.

victoriana 01-26-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2121332)
Is this the same event that person posted Youtube videos about?

Ugh, yes. It was a huge problem for nationals, but it was handled quickly and the videos were immediately removed. I was able to watch it a few times before it was taken down, though. From what I understand, the chapter had been having RM issues with both the university and our national organization. They refused to comply with their probation, and as a result, their chapter was cleaned out. It's such a shame that these girls decided to be bitter and take no responsibility. The video they posted was pretty slanderous, in my opinion. I was not happy about the way AST, as an organization, was dragged through the mud. I'm just glad this whole ordeal is over. I think that nationals did the right thing, even though it's sad to see so many sisters leave the organization on bad terms.

AOII Angel 01-26-2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2121327)
If people other than the sorority and fraternity members were at the event, as it sounds they were, how on earth can you consider it a mixer? Mixers are by definition private parties between a fraternity and a sorority. It sounds like these guys just rented a place and anyone - including nonstudents - could attend. This would be kind of like saying that if everyone in the sorority went to a Giants game and everyone in a fraternity went there, that IT was a mixer.

For some groups, having an entire chapter go to a Giants game together would be considered a chapter activity, whether or not it was planned. Having alcohol involved would break chapter rules so having a chapter claim that this party was "open" to try and skirt probation restrictions is a little disingenuous, and I don't blame their national officials from seeing right through it. Obviously this wasn't a one time event, and the explanation in the story is a simplistic representation of the events. I don't envy an organization that has to deal with these sorts of issues, especially with this some women in this generation that refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-27-2012 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2121352)
For some groups, having an entire chapter go to a Giants game together would be considered a chapter activity, whether or not it was planned. Having alcohol involved would break chapter rules so having a chapter claim that this party was "open" to try and skirt probation restrictions is a little disingenuous, and I don't blame their national officials from seeing right through it. Obviously this wasn't a one time event, and the explanation in the story is a simplistic representation of the events. I don't envy an organization that has to deal with these sorts of issues, especially with this some women in this generation that refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, to all of this. On my camps 1/3 of the chapter at an event with alcohol = chapter event, period.

And there is NO WAY this was a one-time thing.

victoriana 01-27-2012 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2121362)
Yes, to all of this. On my camps 1/3 of the chapter at an event with alcohol = chapter event, period.

And there is NO WAY this was a one-time thing.

It wasn't, for sure. It makes me so sad to see this happen, but I think what our national organization did was the right thing.

ElieM 01-27-2012 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2121362)
On my camps 1/3 of the chapter at an event with alcohol = chapter event, period.

How did this work with Popular Poppie's birthday party where she has a massive party and invites, along with all her other campus friends, all her sisters to a party?

naraht 01-27-2012 08:09 AM

Pro Football game scenario...
 
Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

AOII Angel 01-27-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElieM (Post 2121375)
How did this work with Popular Poppie's birthday party where she has a massive party and invites, along with all her other campus friends, all her sisters to a party?

Quote:

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2121403)
Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

They have to follow the rules set down by their organization. Beer being sold by the Washington Redskins isn't the problem. The major problem is the lack of respect for rules while the chapter is on probation. A lot of things are ignored when chapters have a history of following the rules, but when a chapter shows they refuse to follow any of the rules...

ASTalumna06 01-27-2012 11:04 AM

I have a question..

This JUST happened, correct? So why is initiation in January? Is NYU running on a quarter or trimester system, rather than semesters?

DeltaBetaBaby 01-27-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2121403)
Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

Nobody would be in trouble, but it would be a chapter event, and thus subject to the rules of a chapter event. On my campus, that means that you had to do certain paperwork in advance and follow certain rules regarding alcohol.

That said, I come from a campus where chapters were usually 150+, so you'd have to hit 50 women to be at the 1/3 of a chapter mark. It's a bit of a stretch to think that 50+ women would coordinate to do something that wasn't officially a chapter event and/or planned well in advance.

Also, if 51 women go to a Giants game without filling out paperwork, and NOTHING GOES WRONG, it probably doesn't register as a blip on anyone's radar...CPH doesn't care, HQ doesn't care, etc. It's when 51 women go to a Giants game and one of them is rushed to the hospital for alcohol poisoning that suddenly we have a problem on our hands.

Greek_or_Geek? 01-27-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2121434)
I have a question..

This JUST happened, correct? So why is initiation in January? Is NYU running on a quarter or trimester system, rather than semesters?

No, it happened last fall. Apparently the site that ran the article just found out about it and ran with the story based on the information provided only by expelled members.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2121420)
The major problem is the lack of respect for rules while the chapter is on probation. A lot of things are ignored when chapters have a history of following the rules, but when a chapter shows they refuse to follow any of the rules...

This. In chapters that are in trouble, there's frequently this culture of trying to get around the rules with what the misbehaving members believe are technicalities. It wasn't their party so it shouldn't count. They don't believe the organization is serious about the consequences, especially when they continue to misbehave in large numbers. No one would ever expel that many members, right? They should have consulted with women who were once members of the Theta chapter at JHU. They thought they were smarter than their organization as well.


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