Bid Lists 2011

[carnation]

Bama has been getting masses of OOS students because it's so hard to get into Texas and Georgia now and lots of kids want the big university experience. This has also benefited Auburn, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Many of us have watched the big changes in new member distribution developing over recent years due to this.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by carnation

Bama has been getting masses of OOS students because it's so hard to get into Texas and Georgia now and lots of kids want the big university experience. This has also benefited Auburn, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Many of us have watched the big changes in new member distribution developing over recent years due to this.

I'd put Florida on this list too. When I was in HS, the only girls who went to Auburn and Alabama were those who had family ties. Now, I'm seeing a lot more South Florida women on Alabama and Auburn's bid lists because FSU and UF aren't the safeties they were before Bright Futures.

[barbino]

Originally Posted by carnation

Bama has been getting masses of OOS students because it's so hard to get into Texas and Georgia now and lots of kids want the big university experience. This has also benefited Auburn, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Many of us have watched the big changes in new member distribution developing over recent years due to this.

I think that it's only a matter of more time before this carries over to both Kentucky and Tennessee - while both are "less traditionally SEC universities" (notice the quotation marks, emphasis is mine) than those listed on Carnation's post, they are still -- SEC universities.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by barbino

I think that it's only a matter of more time before this carries over to both Kentucky and Tennessee - while both are "less traditionally SEC universities" (notice the quotation marks, emphasis is mine) than those listed on Carnation's post, they are still -- SEC universities.

Oh no, you didn't. Tennessee and Kentucky both have been members of the the SEC since there was an SEC. In other words, the SEC has never existed without either of these schools.

I would also urge you to take a look at UK's bid day pics that have been posted here on GC, and I think you'll see goings on that rival any SEC school. We're working on getting the houses at UT, but we are not the only SEC school sans sorority houses (i.e., Auburn).

I write from a UT alumna's perspective who spent the past decade in metro Atlanta teaching SAT prep to students who were desperately trying to get into UGA. Their backup schools not only included Alabama and Auburn, but also Tennessee. In fact, of the three schools, Tuscaloosa is the furthest away from metro Atlanta and more often than not was third choice. Moreover, Georgia began the Hope Scholarship in 1993, when it awarded $21 million to students and grew to the size that it is today (I believe just under $700 million). It took about 5-10 years for UGA's admissions to become as competitive as they currently are.

Tennessee began the Hope Scholarship within the last decade (I've just moved back and I'm no longer in the college prep business, so I don't have as much info down by heart). There are already signs of Tennessee becoming a more competitive school, and I would not at all be surprised to see this trend continue.

Tennessee and Kentucky less traditionally SEC schools...humph. Even Bear Bryant spent time at Kentucky.

OK...taking my hurt pride back to my newbie corner to sulk and continue to lurk. Love my school. Love my panhellenic - the women are so awesome!

[barbino]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Oh no, you didn't. Tennessee and Kentucky both have been members of the the SEC since there was an SEC. In other words, the SEC has never existed without either of these schools.

I would also urge you to take a look at UK's bid day pics that have been posted here on GC, and I think you'll see goings on that rival any SEC school. We're working on getting the houses at UT, but we are not the only SEC school sans sorority houses (i.e., Auburn).

I write from a UT alumna's perspective who spent the past decade in metro Atlanta teaching SAT prep to students who were desperately trying to get into UGA. Their backup schools not only included Alabama and Auburn, but also Tennessee. In fact, of the three schools, Tuscaloosa is the furthest away from metro Atlanta and more often than not was third choice. Moreover, Georgia began the Hope Scholarship in 1993, when it awarded $21 million to students and grew to the size that it is today (I believe just under $700 million). It took about 5-10 years for UGA's admissions to become as competitive as they currently are.

Tennessee began the Hope Scholarship within the last decade (I've just moved back and I'm no longer in the college prep business, so I don't have as much info down by heart). There are already signs of Tennessee becoming a more competitive school, and I would not at all be surprised to see this trend continue.

Tennessee and Kentucky less traditionally SEC schools...humph. Even Bear Bryant spent time at Kentucky.

OK...taking my hurt pride back to my newbie corner to sulk and continue to lurk. Love my school. Love my panhellenic - the women are so awesome!

I scanned your post quickly. I believe that you did not understand what I meant. I inferred that the trend would continue to include both TN and KY, which while members of the SEC do not have ultracompetitive Panhellenic recruitments -- yet. I did not mean it to be snarky; altough I could see how some might take it that way. I am very proud of both UK and my own chapter (check my personal profile). Welcome to GC, newbie. Don't sulk, come join in the fun. Oh-- and all Panhellenic women rock!!!!

[TSteven]

Go Big Blue!

[barbino]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Go Big Blue!

Yes!

TSteven-- as a former cheerleader, I think you know what I am thinking now -even after all these years. Although the memory has begun to fade and I have more pressing matters to consider, like the rivalry between Illinois and Wisconsin.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by barbino

I scanned your post quickly. I believe that you did not understand what I meant. I inferred that the trend would continue to include both TN and KY, which while members of the SEC do not have ultracompetitive Panhellenic recruitments -- yet. I did not mean it to be snarky; altough I could see how some might take it that way. I am very proud of both UK and my own chapter (check my personal profile). Welcome to GC, newbie. Don't sulk, come join in the fun. Oh-- and all Panhellenic women rock!!!!

Oh, I didn't explain myself well. I read your post, but it came out all huffy. I should have checked your profile before saying anything because I honestly saw that you are in Chicago and thought to myself "What the heck does she know about the SEC?" The noob learns a GC lesson - you know, the one about assuming.

What I was trying to express were mainly these things:

1. Students from Georgia (at least the hundreds that I worked with over the past decade) are/have been pursuing Tennessee along with Auburn & Alabama since UGA became more competitive due to the Hope Scholarship.

2. Since Tennessee began offering the Hope Scholarship a few years ago, it has become more competitive academically a la UGA, which has led to slightly smaller PNM groups and quotas. When I was at UT, there were 15 NPC groups. Now there are 13.

3. Because UT is becoming more competitive academically due to the Hope Scholarship, it really isn't going to be as viable an option for those students who are seeking an SEC-like experience but may not be able to get into UGA.

OK....really this was all off the original topic anyway, so 'nuff said.

More bid lists, please. Monmouth Duo love, dear Barbino!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Oh, I didn't explain myself well. I read your post, but it came out all huffy. I should have checked your profile before saying anything because I honestly saw that you are in Chicago and thought to myself "What the heck does she know about the SEC?" The noob learns a GC lesson - you know, the one about assuming.

What I was trying to express were mainly these things:

1. Students from Georgia (at least the hundreds that I worked with over the past decade) are/have been pursuing Tennessee along with Auburn & Alabama since UGA became more competitive due to the Hope Scholarship.

2. Since Tennessee began offering the Hope Scholarship a few years ago, it has become more competitive academically a la UGA, which has led to slightly smaller PNM groups and quotas. When I was at UT, there were 15 NPC groups. Now there are 13.

3. Because UT is becoming more competitive academically due to the Hope Scholarship, it really isn't going to be as viable an option for those students who are seeking an SEC-like experience but may not be able to get into UGA.

OK....really this was all off the original topic anyway, so 'nuff said.

More bid lists, please. Monmouth Duo love, dear Barbino!

I think y'all are both saying the same thing.

When barbino and I attended UK - and I should add I had family (black sheep of course ) who attend that school down in Knoxville around the same time - both schools didn't always get a lot of students from other states within the SEC footprint - like Georgia, Florida or Alabama. However, I happened to know quite a few Mississippians who attended Kentucky. Go figure.

To be clear, UK and UT are now - and have always been - SEC schools through and through. And when it comes to rush, both are competitive. However, perhaps not at the level of say Bama, Ole Miss and Auburn. At least not yet.

However, over the years, more and more students attending UK now come from other states within the SEC footprint. As such, some of the so called "uber-competitiveness" that some may feel is the "norm" at their "home" SEC school, is now being brought to Kentucky. And I suspect to Tennessee as well.

At least that is how I interpreted barbino's posts.


^^^ Now this is Old School.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I think y'all are both saying the same thing.

When barbino and I attended UK - and I should add I had family (black sheep of course ) who attend that school down in Knoxville around the same time - both schools didn't always get a lot of students from other states within the SEC footprint - like Georgia, Florida or Alabama. However, I happened to know quite a few Mississippians who attended Kentucky. Go figure.

To be clear, UK and UT are now - and have always been - SEC schools through and through. And when it comes to rush, both are competitive. However, perhaps not at the level of say Bama, Ole Miss and Auburn. At least not yet.

However, over the years, more and more students attending UK now come from other states within the SEC footprint. As such, some of the so called "uber-competitiveness" that some may feel is the "norm" at their "home" SEC school, is now being brought to Kentucky. And I suspect to Tennessee as well.

At least that is how I interpreted barbino's posts.

Except, my experience at Tennessee was that a ton of students attended Tennessee who are from Georgia, the Georgia kids that I worked with were more often likely as not to be trying to get into Tennessee (the fact that I had attended UT was serendipitous), and now this same demographic is having a more difficult time getting in because of the Hope Scholarship now being in place in Tennessee. My expectation is that UT is going to be increasingly challenging from an admissions standpoint, just as has happened with UGA. I have no clue as to what's happening at UK, even though I am friends with some alums.

LOVE the old school photo!

More bid lists, please!

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally Posted by carnation

Bama has been getting masses of OOS students because it's so hard to get into Texas and Georgia now and lots of kids want the big university experience. This has also benefited Auburn, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Many of us have watched the big changes in new member distribution developing over recent years due to this.

I saw the list of PNMs at the AOII house the other day at Ole Miss...holy moly you should see all of the TEXAS PNMs! WOW! I would say that out of state student percentage is almost as high as the in-state percentage! And the amount of PNMs from New England has increased! I don't ever remember anyone from up "north" except for my roommate/pledge sister/BFF who was form New Jersey but she had Ole Miss ties! Oh and two Canadians and two Europeans this year!