Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The significance put on a clump of cells differs in the eye of the beholder.

Does a heart beat make any difference?

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Does a heart beat make any difference?

People are taken off of life support that keeps them breathing when they have a heart beat but no brain waves and it is not considered "killing" them. So, in my opinion, no, it doesn't.

[AOII Angel]

Seriously, the 8mm fetus with a heart beat does not have the same rights as the woman on which it must completely rely. I have my personal opinions about later abortions, but they are my own and apply only to my own decision making process.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Does a heart beat make any difference?

Viability is all that matters.

Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Viability is all that matters.

Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.

I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.

Once again, insulting those who do not agree with you won't change any minds, nor will it give you an ounce of credibility. So far all you've said is that you believe abortion is wrong and everyone who doesn't is heartless...that's all of your posts in this thread in a nutshell. It confuses me that you can feel so strongly about something and yet make no attempt whatsoever to change any minds and in fact HURT your cause. Do you have anything intelligent or thoughtful to add? It seems you're stuck on repeat.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong.

You didn't - I didn't ascribe such beliefs to you directly, but instead jumped in front of any similar arguments preemptively, and additionally gave support to my views through the same.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live.

It is a necessary but not sufficient condition. You cannot survive on heartbeat alone - in fact, literally by definition, the baby cannot survive until it is viable, which relies on many factors (a heartbeat is one).

The ability to survive as a human is what should define "being a human."

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.

This is cute. It's also insipid, as is so often the case with cute things.

ADDED:

For the record, I don't consider the last statement ("lack a heart but not a heartbeat") a personal attack or an insult or anything like that - it's a rhetorical device but not one that rises to that level. So yeah, let's not pile onto GW for something he didn't do - reasonable people can disagree in reasonable fashion.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

This is cute. It's also insipid, as is so often the case with cute things.

Now that is the proper way to insult someone. Stick it in and make them like it. Ha!