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02-25-2011, 06:32 PM
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As much as you'd like to believe that there are people running around who think abortion is "fun", pro-choice proponents actually do believe in contraception first. As for Margaret Sanger, she is an early icon of contraceptive rights/ women's health care rights. She has a lot of controversial views. THAT does not mean that everything she believed is correct or believed verbatim by progressive, pro-choice supporters of PP. Unlike conservatives, we can take the good and disagree with the bad without throwing out the whole person. I might also add that in 1938, society was completely different and ideas on eugenics, embryology, medicine were completely different. I'd just as soon take my medical advice from an internet Charlatan than from a physician in 1938 much less take Margaret Sanger's thoughts about the beginnings of life as truth. Cells may be alive, but I have no problem biopsying live cells everyday. The significance put on a clump of cells differs in the eye of the beholder.
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02-25-2011, 07:07 PM
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The significance put on a clump of cells differs in the eye of the beholder.
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Does a heart beat make any difference?
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02-25-2011, 07:52 PM
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Does a heart beat make any difference?
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People are taken off of life support that keeps them breathing when they have a heart beat but no brain waves and it is not considered "killing" them. So, in my opinion, no, it doesn't.
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02-25-2011, 09:07 PM
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Seriously, the 8mm fetus with a heart beat does not have the same rights as the woman on which it must completely rely. I have my personal opinions about later abortions, but they are my own and apply only to my own decision making process.
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02-26-2011, 02:30 PM
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Does a heart beat make any difference?
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Viability is all that matters.
Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.
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02-28-2011, 09:34 AM
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Viability is all that matters.
Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.
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I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.
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02-28-2011, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter
I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.
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Once again, insulting those who do not agree with you won't change any minds, nor will it give you an ounce of credibility. So far all you've said is that you believe abortion is wrong and everyone who doesn't is heartless...that's all of your posts in this thread in a nutshell. It confuses me that you can feel so strongly about something and yet make no attempt whatsoever to change any minds and in fact HURT your cause. Do you have anything intelligent or thoughtful to add? It seems you're stuck on repeat.
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02-28-2011, 03:09 PM
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I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong.
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You didn't - I didn't ascribe such beliefs to you directly, but instead jumped in front of any similar arguments preemptively, and additionally gave support to my views through the same.
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I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live.
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It is a necessary but not sufficient condition. You cannot survive on heartbeat alone - in fact, literally by definition, the baby cannot survive until it is viable, which relies on many factors (a heartbeat is one).
The ability to survive as a human is what should define "being a human."
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Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.
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This is cute. It's also insipid, as is so often the case with cute things.
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For the record, I don't consider the last statement ("lack a heart but not a heartbeat") a personal attack or an insult or anything like that - it's a rhetorical device but not one that rises to that level. So yeah, let's not pile onto GW for something he didn't do - reasonable people can disagree in reasonable fashion.
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03-01-2011, 03:14 PM
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This is cute. It's also insipid, as is so often the case with cute things.
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Now that is the proper way to insult someone. Stick it in and make them like it. Ha! 
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02-26-2011, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel;
Unlike conservatives, we can take the good and disagree with the bad without throwing out the whole person.
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General statement much?
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02-26-2011, 12:54 AM
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General statement much?
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Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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02-26-2011, 09:36 AM
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Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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Exactly, and I was responding to an extremely general statement.
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02-26-2011, 02:34 PM
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Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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Exactly, and I was responding to an extremely general statement.
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Fair point.
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02-28-2011, 09:41 AM
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Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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This from the person who picks fights constantly with other posters simply because one does not agree with her/him. 
You are incapable of conversing with someone who disagrees with you.
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02-28-2011, 09:54 AM
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This from the person who picks fights constantly with other posters simply because one does not agree with her/him.
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Oh yes, this wasn't an example of you trying to pick a fight at all. Learn to respond to the issue and you'll get taken more seriously.
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