States that don't have chapters

[dnall]

I've looked around other org's sections. Would it surprise you that there are in fact several threads where people believed they were having a conversation (while knowingly in public view) intended for a more limited audience based on the org sub-category they were posting it in?

The organization/structure you're referring to doesn't exist if people go from "new posts" to commenting without thinking in between. The responses won't fit the questions and the resulting threads won't fit the categories. The clear intent, by virtue of there being sub-sections at all, is for the posts there to be about that subject. In the case of orgs, that means about that org only.

I don't accept explanations like, 'everyone's doing it,' 'that's how it's done here,' 'that's the dynamic of this site,' etc. I get what you're saying, but I've heard all those in defense to stuff like hazing too. It doesn't make it the right answer.

If this were a chapter talking to me about hazing, I'd be saying you can't let how things have been determine how things will be. It's exactly the people who have been around that have the most responsibility to stand up and change the paradigm.

As far as broad statements... there's nothing wrong with them as long as the reader takes them for what they're worth.

If you're an active in an org during recruitment and think someone is a terrible candidate, then you have every right to say that person sucks. Of course you need to back it up when challenged. That's org standards and personal opinion.

If that person goes on to join another org, someone might interpret an implication that the other org sucks. Regardless, that doesn't give the other org/person a place to tell you your opinion of this person from the perspective of your org is wrong.

I'm stating my opinion, from my knowledge/experience, from my the perspective/standards of my org, of a broad situation. And specifically as justification for why we don't want to do something that would be bad for us. At no point is there any implication if it would be good or bad for any other org. Any reader should understand at least the concept of those conditions implicitly & evaluate content accordingly.

And, point of information. Even now no one has challenged my premise that west coast greek systems suck. I have only been cited specific exceptions and told not to make broad statements. No one has actually attempted to defend west coast greek systems versus other regions. Until someone convinces me to the contrary, that's still going to be my opinion.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by dnall

I don't accept explanations like, 'everyone's doing it,' 'that's how it's done here,' 'that's the dynamic of this site,' etc. I get what you're saying, but I've heard all those in defense to stuff like hazing too. It doesn't make it the right answer.

If this were a chapter talking to me about hazing, I'd be saying you can't let how things have been determine how things will be. It's exactly the people who have been around that have the most responsibility to stand up and change the paradigm.

Dude, did you really honestly just compare hazing to the way people post on a message board?? Punxsatawney Phil conjured up this early spring just for you. Get out and enjoy the sun.

We had another similarly LOFLWAFFL comparison on here, something referencing the Holocaust, but I can't remember what it was.

[dnall]

It's still in the 60s. I'm waiting another month before I hit the lake.

Seriously though, hazing isn't the worst thing in the world, trust me. 95% of it is about as serious as under-age drinking. That's a long way from the holocaust, so relax with your shock.

I used an exaggerated and obvious example of something we all agree is wrong, & common excuses we've all heard for not changing the behavior. (I'm sorry if that's too broad a statement. I can say all ATOs if it makes anyone feel more comfortable).

All logic says we SHOULD be recognizing sub-sections and interpreting content accordingly. That's implicitly why they're there. There's plenty of other areas within the forum for wide open broad conversation. I then stated the excuses being given for why it's apparently not that way right now, which are eerily similar to what most of us have heard from orgs doing dumb stuff.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that analogy.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by dnall

It's still in the 60s. I'm waiting another month before I hit the lake.

Seriously though, hazing isn't the worst thing in the world, trust me. 95% of it is about as serious as under-age drinking. That's a long way from the holocaust, so relax with your shock.

I used an exaggerated and obvious example of something we all agree is wrong, & common excuses we've all heard for not changing the behavior. (I'm sorry if that's too broad a statement. I can say all ATOs if it makes anyone feel more comfortable).

All logic says we SHOULD be recognizing sub-sections and interpreting content accordingly. That's why they're there. There's plenty of other areas within the forum for wide open broad conversation. And, I stated the excuses being given for why it's apparently not that way right now seem, which are eerily similar to what most of us have heard from orgs doing dumb stuff.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that analogy.

[dnall]

Yall and your pictures. The second one is more accurate than you know though.