Quitting school after an unsuccessful SEC recruitment

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I see the connection she's making...that someone who doesn't handle that sort of recruitment might also not be able to handle the huge school as well.

We were talking about people who transfer because of an unsuccessful recruitment/membership intake. There's no need to dress it up as anything else.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

But again, if the only reason is an inability to face rejection (or intense pressure from family and hometown social structure...I grew up around this but not in it thankfully), I think that's indicative of some deeper issues that need to be worked out rather than ignored.

Yes, that's what we were saying. And by deeper issues, I don't mean "class sizes are too large."

[33girl]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I definitely have gone a far different path by choosing a small state school where we cloned three mules and produced Sarah Palin & Deep Throat.

I don't ever want to see "Sarah Palin" and "Deep Throat" in the same sentence again.

But anyway...

I could understand someone transferring out of DePauw (2500 students and something like 75% Greek) if you didn't get a bid more than I can understand leaving someplace like Alabama (30,000 students and only 20% Greek). To basically say that the only reason to go there is to go Greek there and if you don't get in, the school has nothing...why waste your money going to that school in the first place?

Hopefully some of these women who transfer go to smaller state schools or private schools and manage to find a Greek experience there - which is probably the Greek experience that was more suited to them to begin with. And hopefully it opens their eyes to a different way of life after college as well.

Low C Sharp, I have a lovely image of your mom driving away from BigStateU and flipping it off with both hands. LOL

[starang21]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't ever want to see "Sarah Palin" and "Deep Throat" in the same sentence again.

i do.

don't judge me.

LOL.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

It is so easy for us who did not have a failed rush to criticize the actions of those who did so I guess it is up to me to defend girls who transfer after having one. We do go to college for the education but a failed rush is public in your face social rejection and can be a devastating experience for an 18 year old girl. A transfer from one big state university to another does not sacrifice your education because they are all about the same so that argument doesn’t hold. What do you accomplish by a transfer? You might have a successful rush at your new school but rushing as a sophomore is always tough no matter what college you go to. At a minimum you will never again have to deal on a day to day basis with the people who rejected you. Never again have to sit next to them in class. Never again walk by them on campus. Never again walk by their chapter houses. Never again read about them in the school newspaper. You can in some sense give the finger to those who gave you the finger. For some girls it can be the right decision.

Apparently, these girls have always received what they wanted. Never auditioned for a play, tried out for a team, or entered any type of competition, only to not get a role/become cheer captain/or win the spelling bee? I forgot, this is the generation of "everyone's a winner!!"

What happens when/if they want to be an officer in said sorority, and they are rejected? Get the vapors and fall onto the nearing fainting couch? What about when they're out in the work force and interview for another job within the company and don't get it? Quit or transfer to another branch?

According to your theory, running away is the best option because at they will never have to face those mean girls who didn't want them, ever again!

What do they accomplish by transferring only because rush didn't go their way? A reputation for being a spoiled brat who runs away when she isn't getting exactly what she wants or thinks she deserves. Assuming that theoretical Tammy receives a bid to ABC, I hope that she never plans to socialize outside her chapter, before or after she graduates. No regional or national conferences or conventions, no alumnae chapter where the "mean girls" might be there.

Not receiving a bid is NOT the equivalent of being given the factor. There was a chance that the particular girl was the VERY NEXT ONE on the bid list, but too many other girls picked ABC as #1 too.

Nor is her accepting a bid from ABC at State U #2 the equivalent of her giving them the finger, because at this point, do you really think they care? They probably realize what an ungrateful, ungracious snot she is and are glad that she didn't match with them.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

We were talking about people who transfer because of an unsuccessful recruitment/membership intake. There's no need to dress it up as anything else.



Yes, that's what we were saying. And by deeper issues, I don't mean "class sizes are too large."

Ok, but as I understand her post, that's what she's saying. IMO there's nothing wrong with adding different viewpoints to a discussion.

Who is "we"?

[DrPhil]

Those of us who were saying it's dumb to transfer because of Greekdom are only talking about "because of Greekdom."

[BadCat25]

Guys transfer, like SEC starting quarterbacks. Some do it because they are criminals or transfer from a coach who is a criminal or just suck. Cameron Newton went to Florida, was kicked out after being arrested and is now starting at Auburn. Jeremiah Masoli went to Oregon, was kicked out after multiple arrests and is now starting at Mississipppi. Ryan Mallett went to Michigan, transferred to and is starting at Arkansas after Michigan brought in coach Rich Rodriguez, who promptly got Michigan on NCAA probation for for the first time in school history for multiple major rules violations. High school all everything qb Mich Mustain went to Arkansas, started as a freshman but was benched after throwing too many interceptions and took off for Southern Cal where he is again riding the bench.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

Guys transfer, like SEC starting quarterbacks. Some do it because they are criminals or transfer from a coach who is a criminal or just suck. Cameron Newton went to Florida, was kicked out after being arrested and is now starting at Auburn. Jeremiah Masoli went to Oregon, was kicked out after multiple arrests and is now starting at Mississipppi. Ryan Mallett went to Michigan, transferred to and is starting at Arkansas after Michigan brought in coach Rich Rodriguez, who promptly got Michigan on NCAA probation for for the first time in school history for multiple major rules violations. High school all everything qb Mich Mustain went to Arkansas, started as a freshman but was benched after throwing too many interceptions and took off for Southern Cal where he is again riding the bench.

What on earth

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

Guys transfer, like SEC starting quarterbacks. Some do it because they are criminals or transfer from a coach who is a criminal or just suck. Cameron Newton went to Florida, was kicked out after being arrested and is now starting at Auburn. Jeremiah Masoli went to Oregon, was kicked out after multiple arrests and is now starting at Mississipppi. Ryan Mallett went to Michigan, transferred to and is starting at Arkansas after Michigan brought in coach Rich Rodriguez, who promptly got Michigan on NCAA probation for for the first time in school history for multiple major rules violations. High school all everything qb Mich Mustain went to Arkansas, started as a freshman but was benched after throwing too many interceptions and took off for Southern Cal where he is again riding the bench.

You're talking about sports. We're talking about sorority recruitment. Two completely different things.

[DrPhil]

This is not a gendered discussion. You lose at life if you transfer due to Greekdom rejection.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

What on earth

I really hope her account got hacked because this makes absolutely no sense.

[Carpe Aeternum]

After my last party during prefs, I got into my mother's car and declared that I would "rather transfer than not be XYZ." Now, I wasn't serious. I was a transfer student- from a tiny college with no Greek life- and was in love with my school. I still am. There is no place else I would rather be; my heart is devoted to this school. But in that moment- with tears rolling down my face from one of the most beautiful ceremonies I have ever seen, and holding that flower- a part of me did feel like it was XYZ or not worth it.

So I can understand the urge to just get out of the school. I wouldn't (and I didn't- I'm not in XYZ), and would never really consider it beyond a passing, emotional comment. No sorority experience makes up for what this university has brought to me. But I do remember my first weeks of freshman year, being so lonely, so overwhelmed, and feeling like I would never fit in, and I can't imagine if I believed the entire school was Greek life, and on top of all the emotion I was feeling, not getting to be Greek. Heck, I almost lost my mind waiting for bid day, and I'm not in the SEC, and Greek life is by no means the center of my school.

It may seem completely irrational, and maybe it is. I don't think I'd want my daughter to do it. But when I go back and read the journal I kept during those first weeks away at school, and the one I kept before and during rush, add those two together, and stick them in 110-degree heat, I can understand.

[knight_shadow]

BadCat25 is stupid.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Carpe Aeternum

So I can understand the urge to just get out of the school. I wouldn't (and I didn't- I'm not in XYZ), and would never really consider it beyond a passing, emotional comment. No sorority experience makes up for what this university has brought to me. But I do remember my first weeks of freshman year, being so lonely, so overwhelmed, and feeling like I would never fit in, and I can't imagine if I believed the entire school was Greek life, and on top of all the emotion I was feeling, not getting to be Greek. Heck, I almost lost my mind waiting for bid day, and I'm not in the SEC, and Greek life is by no means the center of my school.

It may seem completely irrational, and maybe it is. I don't think I'd want my daughter to do it. But when I go back and read the journal I kept during those first weeks away at school, and the one I kept before and during rush, add those two together, and stick them in 110-degree heat, I can understand.

This is why IMO having rush before the girls can even become part of the campus community is such a crappy idea. It's the same concept as The Bachelor or any of those type shows. Of course at some point you'll think you're in love with the dweeb - THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This is why IMO having rush before the girls can even become part of the campus community is such a crappy idea. It's the same concept as The Bachelor or any of those type shows. Of course at some point you'll think you're in love with the dweeb - THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO.

I tend to agree. At some of the more competitive schools, you go to school early for recruitment, so are in a dorm with mostly PNMs. When things don't go well, you probably do feel like you want to leave school because you have to see every girl in the dorm go to bid day, and you think you will just DIE if you have to stay at Big Southern U.

But what PNMs don't realize is that, come next week, the REST of the students move in and they couldn't care less about Greek Life.