Auburn University Recruitment - Fall 2010

[Katmandu]

Snap bids happen during formal recruitment. It is an option available to chapters not filling quota by bidmatching during Formal Recruitment. If the sorority gets their bid list and they are not at quota/total, they can offer snap bids to women who were registered for formal recruitment and dropped out or did not receive a bid. Often these snap bids are offered so quickly that the newly bidded women arrive with the other new members to bid day activities and others don't know who received a bid via the pref card and who received a snap bid. A PNM is not eligible for snap bids if she has suicided or otherwise minimized her options during recruitment.

I suspect it may be rare at Auburn for snap bids to be offered, unless a chapter misjudged their return rate for parties, and under-invited for pref--which can sometimes happen, even in chapters that are always at quota/total. AGAIN, this is a small number....

When seniors graduate early, people drop out of school, deactivate, that is a COB bid or informal recruitment scenario.


Edited to add: BUT AT COMPETITIVE CAMPUSES, chapters are so far above total that losing a few seniors does not typically result in COB.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

When seniors graduate early, people drop out of school, deactivate, that is a COB bid or informal recruitment scenario.

Could you clarify this for me (and probably others): because COB is an "option" does not necessarily mean that a chapter will conduct it, correct?

More specifically, if campus total is "130" but all chapters have 200+ members (give or take a few), and there are resignations/deactivations/seniors graduating mid-year, would a given chapter participate/have the option of COB?

looking forward to the answer, this is puzzling to me and I haven't researched it deeply.

an aside regarding something I've been thinking about:Another reason that cuts may be so painful and surprising for the PNMs is that we (as humans) would prefer to be the "rejectors" rather than the "rejectees" and for most young people, rejection isn't something they've experienced to this extent and this degree.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

an aside regarding something I've been thinking about:Another reason that cuts may be so painful and surprising for the PNMs is that we (as humans) would prefer to be the "rejectors" rather than the "rejectees" and for most young people, rejection isn't something they've experienced to this extent and this degree.

We were having the same thought, AzTheta! I suspect that many of these women have faced very few failures or rejections in life. They are smart, involved, interesting women who generally experience success when they work hard and put their mind to it. They have generally been able to pick and choose what they want, when they want. Dealing with being dropped for something this big is a new experience for many of them and it makes it that much harder if they haven't already learned how to process and grow from an experience like this.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

Could you clarify this for me (and probably others): because COB is an "option" does not necessarily mean that a chapter will conduct it, correct?

More specifically, if campus total is "130" but all chapters have 200+ members (give or take a few), and there are resignations/deactivations/seniors graduating mid-year, would a given chapter participate/have the option of COB?

looking forward to the answer, this is puzzling to me and I haven't researched it deeply.

an aside regarding something I've been thinking about:Another reason that cuts may be so painful and surprising for the PNMs is that we (as humans) would prefer to be the "rejectors" rather than the "rejectees" and for most young people, rejection isn't something they've experienced to this extent and this degree.

Hi AZTheta. If total is 130, but you have 200+ girls in the Chapter you would have to wait until you loose members and you hit 129 before you could COB or offer a bid to someone to get you back up to 130. So if under this scenario you lost 20 seniors in the spring to early graduation you would still be over total and unable to pick up any new members. The ONLY exception to this rule is during formal recruitment. Say you are at 200 and total is 130 and quota is 50, but you only pick up 30 during formal recruitment. You could snap bid 20 more PNM's and they other poster was correct that no one usually knows they were snap bid OR you could COB after recruitment those 20 NM's and they would come into your pledge class a week or two later.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Hi AZTheta. If total is 130, but you have 200+ girls in the Chapter you would have to wait until you loose members and you hit 129 before you could COB or offer a bid to someone to get you back up to 130. So if under this scenario you lost 20 seniors in the spring to early graduation you would still be over total and unable to pick up any new members. The ONLY exception to this rule is during formal recruitment. Say you are at 200 and total is 130 and quota is 50, but you only pick up 30 during formal recruitment. You could snap bid 20 more PNM's and they other poster was correct that no one usually knows they were snap bid OR you could COB after recruitment those 20 NM's and they would come into your pledge class a week or two later.

How long does quota last? I mean, what is the time frame after formal rush when you can keep bidding to fill quota if you don't make it, if you're already at total? This is the thing that has always confounded me at these ginormous rushes. I know you can bid up to total (if you're not at total) any time.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by 33girl

How long does quota last? I mean, what is the time frame after formal rush when you can keep bidding to fill quota if you don't make it, if you're already at total? This is the thing that has always confounded me at these ginormous rushes. I know you can bid up to total (if you're not at total) any time.

That's a good question and I don't know the answer to that.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

Originally Posted by 33girl

How long does quota last? I mean, what is the time frame after formal rush when you can keep bidding to fill quota if you don't make it, if you're already at total? This is the thing that has always confounded me at these ginormous rushes. I know you can bid up to total (if you're not at total) any time.

Quota lasts from one formal recruitment until its set at the next.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by 33girl

How long does quota last? I mean, what is the time frame after formal rush when you can keep bidding to fill quota if you don't make it, if you're already at total? This is the thing that has always confounded me at these ginormous rushes. I know you can bid up to total (if you're not at total) any time.

I am more of a lurker than a poster but I wanted to answer this question about Quota becasue it drives me crazy when incorrect info is given. Straight from the most recent MOI. I will say that many chapters prefer to fill those vacancies right away.

Each NPC fraternity chapter has the right to continuous open bid to
reach quota or its total allowable size during the regular school year as
defined by the school calendar.

There may also be a vacancies in quota if a woman negates her signed membership recruitment acceptance binding agreement, refuses to accept her matched bid at the conclusion of membership recruitment and does not participate in a ribbon or formal new member ceremony, this space in the chapter’s pledge quota was not filled. Therefore, the chapter may immediately bid and pledge another woman,even if the chapter is over total. However, if the chapter has received quota additions, the chapter may only pledge additional women to the established pledge quota and not to the quota plus quota additions. Example: If quota is 25, and a chapter receives quota (25) plus two quota additions for a total of 27 new members, and three new members do not accept their bids, the chapter may pledge one new member to fill to quota of 25.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by gatordeltapgh

I am more of a lurker than a poster but I wanted to answer this question about Quota becasue it drives me crazy when incorrect info is given. Straight from the most recent MOI. I will say that many chapters prefer to fill those vacancies right away.

Each NPC fraternity chapter has the right to continuous open bid to
reach quota or its total allowable size during the regular school year as
defined by the school calendar.

Huh. I'll be darned. I thought it was only until a week after FR or something - that quota expired like a coupon.

So say ABC has 200 members, is over campus total of 150, quota was 40 and they only took 25...for a myriad of reasons they don't decide to bid up to quota right after formal rush...can they take 15 girls later in the semester and have them as a second pledge class?

[tcsparky]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Huh. I'll be darned. I thought it was only until a week after FR or something - that quota expired like a coupon.

So say ABC has 200 members, is over campus total of 150, quota was 40 and they only took 25...for a myriad of reasons they don't decide to bid up to quota right after formal rush...can they take 15 girls later in the semester and have them as a second pledge class?

Yes, they are able to do that.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Huh. I'll be darned. I thought it was only until a week after FR or something - that quota expired like a coupon.

So say ABC has 200 members, is over campus total of 150, quota was 40 and they only took 25...for a myriad of reasons they don't decide to bid up to quota right after formal rush...can they take 15 girls later in the semester and have them as a second pledge class?

Technically...but I think it would be the very, very rare occasion. Additionally, if the RFM specialists sees that ABC's retention is not as strong leading into pref or if they have a bad day earlier on, she can use the flex list to ensure they have a "better" chance of making quota by inviting additional women to the next round.

More importantly, any chapter that large is going to want to finish their recruitment sooner than later so they can move on to other activities. So in my personal opinion - in the off chance something like that were to happen they would snap bid or COB right away.

[Barbie's_Rush]

I really hate that we even talk about COR on this site. It gives way too much false hopes to pnms who have had disappointing recruitments.

Do not drop out of recruitment based on an expectation that the chapters you loved who dropped you will have COR opportunities!

At a competitive campus, the "desirable" chapters are over total. Usually that means considerably over total. So unless eleventy bajillion new members quit before initiating or graduate mid-term, there will not be any COR for those chapters. The chapters doing COR are most likely going to be the same ones the pnm has left on her party schedule during formal recruitment. You know, the chapters she doesn't want right now.

Once in a while, a pnm can get lucky with COR on a campus like this, but it should never ever be counted on as a back door into a sorority that dropped you during formal.

[Katmandu]

^^^^Absolutely!

[MUSK81]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

Snap bids happen during formal recruitment. It is an option available to chapters not filling quota by bidmatching during Formal Recruitment. If the sorority gets their bid list and they are not at quota/total, they can offer snap bids to women who were registered for formal recruitment and dropped out or did not receive a bid. Often these snap bids are offered so quickly that the newly bidded women arrive with the other new members to bid day activities and others don't know who received a bid via the pref card and who received a snap bid. A PNM is not eligible for snap bids if she has suicided or otherwise minimized her options during recruitment.

I suspect it may be rare at Auburn for snap bids to be offered, unless a chapter misjudged their return rate for parties, and under-invited for pref--which can sometimes happen, even in chapters that are always at quota/total. AGAIN, this is a small number....

When seniors graduate early, people drop out of school, deactivate, that is a COB bid or informal recruitment scenario.


Edited to add: BUT AT COMPETITIVE CAMPUSES, chapters are so far above total that losing a few seniors does not typically result in COB.

OK, I get that snap bids can go to PNMs who were cut by all houses before pref or who didn't get bids after pref, but can a girl who minimized her options by dropping out voluntarily before pref get a snap bid?
We didn't do snap bids at my school back in the day, but we did have the option, when filling out our preference sheets, in going on the "open bid" list for each sorority. This meant you were willing to accept a bid from any group on campus even if you had not gone to their pref party, which sort of amounts to the same thing, I guess. Also, in principle, I guess you could receive bids from more than one group. I only know one girl, who had to miss some parties due to a family emergency, who did this, but I don't know how many bids she got.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by MUSK81

OK, I get that snap bids can go to PNMs who were cut by all houses before pref or who didn't get bids after pref, but can a girl who minimized her options by dropping out voluntarily before pref get a snap bid?
We didn't do snap bids at my school back in the day, but we did have the option, when filling out our preference sheets, in going on the "open bid" list for each sorority. This meant you were willing to accept a bid from any group on campus even if you had not gone to their pref party, which sort of amounts to the same thing, I guess. Also, in principle, I guess you could receive bids from more than one group. I only know one girl, who had to miss some parties due to a family emergency, who did this, but I don't know how many bids she got.

I think that might depend on the campus. Back in the day before RFM's we did a little of the snap bid process. IMO, it works best when a girl is cross cut meaning she doesn't match with any of her pref chapters. The problem we have had in later years is people who suicide and don't hit high enough on the bid list. It is obvious they only want to be an ABC, but ABC is usually full and may or may not be participating in spring recruitment. Ugh, I HATE this part about recruitment, but I do believe that they have tried to ease some of it with quota additions, but the problem is again, at least on our campus, if you suicide you are not eligible for quota additions. I guess that is how they try to discourage it?