NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Our YMCA and YWCA merged into "The Y" here many years ago. I think it simply reflects how their mission has changed and move away from the religious orientation. But I'm not surprised that not everyone knows what it stood for if they'd never had a reason to ask.

The average person on the street, perhaps, but not a person who is expected to know about the nonprofits in our area.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I had heard rumors that people didn't realize YMCA was an acronym. I hadn't met these people until very recently. One of my coworkers remarked on the YMCA changing its name to "The Y." In the conversation that followed, I discovered that she had no idea of the former legal name.

Perhaps because the YMCA was always called "The Y" in some areas.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

The average person on the street, perhaps, but not a person who is expected to know about the nonprofits in our area.

Hmm. Yeah ok that's probably fair. Although it probably depends on if the YMCA was operating under its full name at any point or if they only interacted as the YMCA while this coworker was there.

Still, things you'd expect someone in the field to know.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

The "Official" Islamic Religion didn't coordinate the attacks. A group of individuals (who happened to be Muslim) did.

Not the same as your examples.

I didn't know there was an "official" Islamic Religion. I guess that means that there must also be "official" Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist religions.

Who are these "official" Muslims and how do we get them to stop the terrorists who commit heinous crimes in their religions name? These terrorists were coerced by their leaders to kill infidels and specifically Americans in the name of Islam. There are too many "Harvey Milktoasts" out there that want to just get along instead of calling BS on "official" Islam.

We had 8 terrorists arrested in NC who were plotting attacks. This happened in Johnston County, NC about a half an hour from where I live. Nobody from "official" Islam has condemned these terrorists. They defend them instead.

Maybe they should take the money needed to build a 13 story Mosque/building and plaster adds all over National TV condemning all terrorists and encouraging other Muslims to turn them in before they can wreak more havoc on innocent people. Maybe a large portion of the funds needed to build the Mosque could be used to educate their own followers about "true" Islamic beliefs. Whatever they may be.

It may be true that most Muslims are not terrorists but it is true that most terrorists attacking Americans are Muslims.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

It may be true that most Muslims are not terrorists but it is true that most terrorists attacking Americans are Muslims.

Don't be foolish. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/17...ning-al-qaeda/

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I didn't know there was an "official" Islamic Religion. I guess that means that there must also be "official" Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist religions.

Who are these "official" Muslims and how do we get them to stop the terrorists who commit heinous crimes in their religions name? These terrorists were coerced by their leaders to kill infidels and specifically Americans in the name of Islam. There are too many "Harvey Milktoasts" out there that want to just get along instead of calling BS on "official" Islam.

We had 8 terrorists arrested in NC who were plotting attacks. This happened in Johnston County, NC about a half an hour from where I live. Nobody from "official" Islam has condemned these terrorists. They defend them instead.

Maybe they should take the money needed to build a 13 story Mosque/building and plaster adds all over National TV condemning all terrorists and encouraging other Muslims to turn them in before they can wreak more havoc on innocent people. Maybe a large portion of the funds needed to build the Mosque could be used to educate their own followers about "true" Islamic beliefs. Whatever they may be.

It may be true that most Muslims are not terrorists but it is true that most terrorists attacking Americans are Muslims.

Are you one of those people who avoids cabs because your driver just might be muslim?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I didn't know there was an "official" Islamic Religion. I guess that means that there must also be "official" Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist religions.

Who are these "official" Muslims and how do we get them to stop the terrorists who commit heinous crimes in their religions name? These terrorists were coerced by their leaders to kill infidels and specifically Americans in the name of Islam. There are too many "Harvey Milktoasts" out there that want to just get along instead of calling BS on "official" Islam.

We had 8 terrorists arrested in NC who were plotting attacks. This happened in Johnston County, NC about a half an hour from where I live. Nobody from "official" Islam has condemned these terrorists. They defend them instead.

Maybe they should take the money needed to build a 13 story Mosque/building and plaster adds all over National TV condemning all terrorists and encouraging other Muslims to turn them in before they can wreak more havoc on innocent people. Maybe a large portion of the funds needed to build the Mosque could be used to educate their own followers about "true" Islamic beliefs. Whatever they may be.

It may be true that most Muslims are not terrorists but it is true that most terrorists attacking Americans are Muslims.

I said "Official" Islamic Religion because I wasn't sure what the proper term was. I wanted to say The Nation of Islam, but didn't believe that to be correct. I'm sure you knew what the hell I meant, but being a smart ass was easier for you, I guess.

And you seem to forget the shit that gets carried out "in Jesus' name." You also seem to forget that terrorism is not something that's exclusive to Muslims (Oklahoma City?).

You're ignorant.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I said "Official" Islamic Religion because I wasn't sure what the proper term was. I wanted to say The Nation of Islam, but didn't believe that to be correct. I'm sure you knew what the hell I meant, but being a smart ass was easier for you, I guess.

And you seem to forget the shit that gets carried out "in Jesus' name." You also seem to forget that terrorism is not something that's exclusive to Muslims (Oklahoma City?).

You're ignorant.

And he may have also forgotten that more and more terrorists look just like him.

[Ghostwriter]

^^^I never mentioned what someone must look like to be a terrorist or a Muslim. I only mentioned that most terrorist acts were planned and executed by people of the Islamic faith.

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Don't be foolish. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/17...ning-al-qaeda/

Bull Shit. Most are planned by or carried out in the name of Islam.

USS Cole
Empire State Building Shooter
LA Airport bomber
Embassy Bombings
World Trade Center 1
9/11
El Al gunman in LA
UNC attack by auto
Multiple airlines attack
San Francisco attack by car
Illinois Shopping Mall attack
Shoe bomber
Fort Hood
NYC bombers
NC 8
Detroit plane bombing attempt
Chicago terrorists

Not to mention the numerous attacks in Europe, Russia and around the world.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Bull Shit. Most are planned by or carried out in the name of Islam.

USS Cole
Empire State Building Shooter
LA Airport bomber
Embassy Bombings
World Trade Center 1
9/11
El Al gunman in LA
UNC attack by auto
Multiple airlines attack
San Francisco attack by car
Illinois Shopping Mall attack
Shoe bomber
Fort Hood
NYC bombers
NC 8
Detroit plane bombing attempt
Chicago terrorists

Not to mention the numerous attacks in Europe, Russia and around the world.

Ok, Mr. Mueller.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I said "Official" Islamic Religion because I wasn't sure what the proper term was. I wanted to say The Nation of Islam, but didn't believe that to be correct. I'm sure you knew what the hell I meant, but being a smart ass was easier for you, I guess.

And you seem to forget the shit that gets carried out "in Jesus' name." You also seem to forget that terrorism is not something that's exclusive to Muslims (Oklahoma City?).

You're ignorant.

Nation of Islam is primarily an African American... well sect is probably not quite the right word. There isn't a Caliph so there is no one true leader of Islam, just highly respected imams in different sects.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I didn't know there was an "official" Islamic Religion. I guess that means that there must also be "official" Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist religions.

The point is that what these individuals did was not condoned by the vast majority of imams and Muslims.

Who are these "official" Muslims and how do we get them to stop the terrorists who commit heinous crimes in their religions name?

Why didn't you stop that Christian from killing the doctor for providing abortions?

These terrorists were coerced by their leaders to kill infidels and specifically Americans in the name of Islam. There are too many "Harvey Milktoasts" out there that want to just get along instead of calling BS on "official" Islam.

Their terrorist leaders. Who are incredibly different from the Muslims who live in your city. And the Muslims who live in the next city over. And the overwhelming majority of over 1 billion Muslims all over the world.

We had 8 terrorists arrested in NC who were plotting attacks. This happened in Johnston County, NC about a half an hour from where I live. Nobody from "official" Islam has condemned these terrorists. They defend them instead.

The myth that "moderate Muslims" never condemn terrorists is perpetuated by the media who never seems to report what "moderate Muslims" say about it. There is no Caliph, there is no Muslim Pope to issue edicts from on high. There is no series of bishops. There are scholars and leaders of the congregations and disagreements over a variety of practices and interpretations of the Koran.

Islam is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism (and so on) People have always and will always use religion as an excuse to kill, to wage war, and to claim land. It's people that are violent, not the faiths, no matter what other flaws they have.

Maybe they should take the money needed to build a 13 story Mosque/building and plaster adds all over National TV condemning all terrorists and encouraging other Muslims to turn them in before they can wreak more havoc on innocent people. Maybe a large portion of the funds needed to build the Mosque could be used to educate their own followers about "true" Islamic beliefs. Whatever they may be.

Educate yourself first.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Nation of Islam is primarily an African American... well sect is probably not quite the right word. There isn't a Caliph so there is no one true leader of Islam, just highly respected imams in different sects.

Yea, I've always heard Nation of Islam when it's referencing African Americans, but I didn't know what the "national" equivalent was called. Thanks.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

^^^I never mentioned what someone must look like to be a terrorist or a Muslim. I only mentioned that most terrorist acts were planned and executed by people of the Islamic faith.



Bull Shit. Most are planned by or carried out in the name of Islam.

USS Cole
Empire State Building Shooter
LA Airport bomber
Embassy Bombings
World Trade Center 1
9/11
El Al gunman in LA
UNC attack by auto
Multiple airlines attack
San Francisco attack by car
Illinois Shopping Mall attack
Shoe bomber
Fort Hood
NYC bombers
NC 8
Detroit plane bombing attempt
Chicago terrorists

Not to mention the numerous attacks in Europe, Russia and around the world.

I guess Christianity is innocent then, huh?

heheh...Dude it gets really tricky when you want to accuse one religious faith on carrying out attacks when people of your same religious belief are doing the same.

Let me give you a head start...

Abortion Bombings
KKK Lynchings
1996 Olympic Bombings
and those fellows from the Concerned Christians who wanted to blow up religious sites in Jerusalem

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The myth that "moderate Muslims" never condemn terrorists is perpetuated by the media who never seems to report what "moderate Muslims" say about it. There is no Caliph, there is no Muslim Pope to issue edicts from on high. There is no series of bishops. There are scholars and leaders of the congregations and disagreements over a variety of practices and interpretations of the Koran.

At the risk of tokenizing folks, I would love to hear from Muslim GCers.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

^^^I never mentioned what someone must look like to be a terrorist or a Muslim. I only mentioned that most terrorist acts were planned and executed by people of the Islamic faith.



Bull Shit. Most are planned by or carried out in the name of Islam.

USS Cole
Empire State Building Shooter
LA Airport bomber
Embassy Bombings
World Trade Center 1
9/11
El Al gunman in LA
UNC attack by auto
Multiple airlines attack
San Francisco attack by car
Illinois Shopping Mall attack
Shoe bomber
Fort Hood
NYC bombers
NC 8
Detroit plane bombing attempt
Chicago terrorists

Not to mention the numerous attacks in Europe, Russia and around the world.

Ok lets try the names of numerous "Christian" terrorists groups.
Sons of Freedom
National Liberation Front of Tripura
Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland
Russian National Unity
Lord's Resistance Army
Klu Klux KlanIrish Republican Army And that doesn't even count people like the ones who bomb abortion clinics. And those are just Christians. There are other groups who have different religous make up, and those for who religion isn't important. Saying that most terrorist as Muslim is fear mongering and bigoted.