After Several Years: What Do You Think of the New Release Figures?

[violetpretty]

Splash is most certainly our hypothetical Suzie that got cut from a chapter she wanted after round 1 as evidenced by:

1. Knowing nothing about recruitment on the campus/chapter level
2. Her fixation on "Suzie"
and
3. The fact that her recruitment stories do not add up to a real chapter/campus.

I responded to Splash's posts explaining why her suggestions do more harm than good. I find it interesting that all she can come up with is, "but Suzie could have gotten another chance," and she doesn't even respond to what I've said to her.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Splash is most certainly our hypothetical Suzie that got cut from a chapter she wanted after round 1 as evidenced by:

1. Knowing nothing about recruitment on the campus/chapter level
2. Her fixation on "Suzie"
and
3. The fact that her recruitment stories do not add up to a real chapter/campus.

I responded to Splash's posts explaining why her suggestions do more harm than good. I find it interesting that all she can come up with is, "but Suzie could have gotten another chance," and she doesn't even respond to what I've said to her.

QFOhSnap.

I believe it though. Unless she is a new member, I don't think any actual sorority member could be this clueless about RFM.

[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Splash is most certainly our hypothetical Suzie that got cut from a chapter she wanted after round 1 as evidenced by:

1. Knowing nothing about recruitment on the campus/chapter level
2. Her fixation on "Suzie"
and
3. The fact that her recruitment stories do not add up to a real chapter/campus.

I responded to Splash's posts explaining why her suggestions do more harm than good. I find it interesting that all she can come up with is, "but Suzie could have gotten another chance," and she doesn't even respond to what I've said to her.

Indeed.

I have a question about invites to rounds prior to RFM being put into place. From what I understand, it was a badge of honor for chapters to have huge numbers of pnms return with each round and really big cuts at the "popular chapters" were done toward the very end. The popular chaters ended up with almost all of the "best" pnms to chose from. The other chapters had a considerably smaller pool by preference because many pnms had previously dropped them while being strung along by the popular chapters. Before RFM, were there no rules or guidelines about how many pnms you had to cut each round?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

Indeed.

I have a question about invites to rounds prior to RFM being put into place. From what I understand, it was a badge of honor for chapters to have huge numbers of pnms return with each round and really big cuts at the "popular chapters" were done toward the very end. The popular chaters ended up with almost all of the "best" pnms to chose from. The other chapters had a considerably smaller pool by preference because many pnms had previously dropped them while being strung along by the popular chapters. Before RFM, were there no rules or guidelines about how many pnms you had to cut each round?

Not to my knowledge (and I was active pre-RFM). Every chapter had its own way of determining how many to cut/keep. You could invite back the entire list if you wanted to, or cut half of it. It was up to each chapter to determine what was best for them (regardless of what was best for the PNMs in the end).

I seem to remember that it was the goal to have close to 100% returns and full (max) parties.

Generally speaking, More Popular House would cut however many they wanted because they just kind of knew that whoever they DID invite back was going to accept and the party would be full no matter what. Some bigger houses cut a little and some a lot.

Less Popular would invite back larger portions of the list just in case some girls declined, they'd still have shot at a full party and a decent return rate.

Whether chapters were actually interested in the women in their full parties was a different story.The choice was up to the chapters.

In the beginning of RFM, I remember many chapters being up in arms about it because it told them how many to cut. Chapters were used to being able to decide that for themselves.

The problem was, the whole "everybody decide numbers for yourselves" didn't really help PNMs. The goal was "full parties" and not necessarily "full parties with PNMs we actually want." So chapters would keep a girl they only sort of liked for 3 whole rounds. This was why the heaviest cuts used to come right before Pref.

[honeychile]

What I remember is a sort of self-imposed release for the last two parties:

-Invite no one to the (second to the last) party unless you think you may invite her to Pref, then

-Invite no one to Pref who wouldn't appear somewhere on your Bid List - unless a very, very major mistake is made (like the PNM showing up nude & drunk).

The biggest problem was with those GLOs who didn't use these guidelines, and invite at least 4 times quota to Pref. Then they would always pull some aside for SIP/Suicide. There were no guidelines, so they were in their rights to do this, but to me, it left much too many PNMs hung out to dry. It was just plain rude!

So, color me very much in favor of the Release Figures!

[KSUViolet06]

I seem to remember it the same as honeychile, except I think we had the issue of chapters having max invites at all their 3rd round parties (day before Pref) then cutting down to the girls they ACTUALLY wanted right after that.

So XYZ would have like 100 girls at all their 3rd round parties, then do a MASSIVE cut right after that to get to the Pref numbers they wanted.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I seem to remember it the same as honeychile, except I think we had the issue of chapters having max invites at all their 3rd round parties (day before Pref) then cutting down to the girls you ACTUALLY want right after that.

So XYZ would have like 100 girls at all their 3rd round parties, then do a MASSIVE cut right after that to get to the Pref numbers they wanted.

That was a second reason for Release Figures. PNMs would be so completely psyched out that they had already bought XYZ t-shirts (I know, super silly!), then not even get an invitation to Pref. Still dirty rush in my book.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by honeychile

That was a second reason for Release Figures. PNMs would be so completely psyched out that they had already bought XYZ t-shirts (I know, super silly!), then not even get an invitation to Pref. Still dirty rush in my book.

Indeed. I saw/heard of many a very sad PNM quitting recruitment immediately the minute they got their Pref schedule because XYZ had invited them back every round and suddenly wasn't there come Pref time.

It was always the same story:

"I thought they liked me, they invited me back every day."

"How could they cut me now after they asked me back 3 times?"

"I don't understand."

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

Indeed.

I have a question about invites to rounds prior to RFM being put into place. From what I understand, it was a badge of honor for chapters to have huge numbers of pnms return with each round and really big cuts at the "popular chapters" were done toward the very end. The popular chaters ended up with almost all of the "best" pnms to chose from. The other chapters had a considerably smaller pool by preference because many pnms had previously dropped them while being strung along by the popular chapters. Before RFM, were there no rules or guidelines about how many pnms you had to cut each round?

They did have guidelines based on the return percentages over the prior 3 years. However, unless you had a Greek Adviser who was strong enough to hold to that, everyone pretty much fudged the numbers somewhat. I worked with a lot of chapters in the south (SEC and non-SEC) in the 80's and 90's and that was my experience.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by Titchou

They did have guidelines based on the return percentages over the prior 3 years. However, unless you had a Greek Adviser who was strong enough to hold to that, everyone pretty much fudged the numbers somewhat. I worked with a lot of chapters in the south (SEC and non-SEC) in the 80's and 90's and that was my experience.

They gave you numbers to release and it was "suggested" you followed them, but not enforced. We did follow them pretty closely, but the releases after round one were less then half of what they are with RFM. In fact, the first year we did RFM we started releasing prior to them giving us our figures (grades mostly) and almost had a heart attack when the number came to us. We couldn't believe that it would actually work. I always worry about a Chapter having a misstep and then getting messed up, but I haven't seen that happen only a chapter mixing up their invite and their regret list

We used to have a strong Chapter on campus who would not drop any girls except grades during round one and do all their cuts before preference! Their round 3 parties were HUGE!