After Several Years: What Do You Think of the New Release Figures?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Splash

If they weren't using RFM they would get to invite back a certain number of girls. That number minus the girls they would cut if they did use RFM are the ones who get the second chance, not girls that would be cut after first round without RFM.

They will still have the same number of girls in the pledge class. I have never denied that. They likely will not have the EXACT SAME pledge class. How similar (whether it is identical or far different) probably depends on the school a lot and other factors. This whole example is hypothetical is it not? The only absolute I am saying is that there will definitinely be situations where a girl normally cut after first round due to RFM would end up with a bid to that sorority.

As for the PNM getting a bid to another sorority, she's not getting her first choice which she might have gotten.

I definitely wasn't Susie seeing that I got my first choice. I do know people that I feel bad for but I'm not thinking of anyone in particular at the moment. How exactly am I incapable of looking at the Greek system on my or any campus? Please be specific, I'd like to know. And please don't speak for the entire Greek community by saying that her changing their mind doesn't matter. You and a lot of this board agree but I am part of the Greek community and I think it matters. Besides it's ironic that everyone on this board is all for the sorority being able to change the mind of the PNM and win her over but not the other way around. I know how recruitment works but that's not mutual.

And what is wrong with what I said that you bolded? You are dead set in thinking that I am a troll yet you continue to give me thought out responses.

Yeah, we get it, someone somewhere could have gotten into her dream sorority IF she'd just gotten that extra chance to impress the group in Round 2. But not likely. If you get cut at Round 1, you are in the bottom basement of their list. Maybe you'd be able to change their mind at the borderline of Round 2/3 but earlier than that, the probabilities are very low.

The converse to letting these popular groups string along large groups of girls they are completely uninterested in is that to keep going back to "Top Chapter", they have to let go one of the chapters that may be actually willing to give them a bid. So when "Top Chapter" finally does release them, as is inevitable, they have fewer chapters to chose from in the pool that is actually interested in calling these women sisters.

You have to look at these things from both sides. I'll take a Suzie with a broken heart over being cut from "Top Chapter" over more women ending up bidless anyday.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The converse to letting these popular groups string along large groups of girls they are completely uninterested in is that to keep going back to "Top Chapter", they have to let go one of the chapters that may be actually willing to give them a bid. So when "Top Chapter" finally does release them, as is inevitable, they have fewer chapters to chose from in the pool that is actually interested in calling these women sisters.

Thank you. Yes. Exactly.

You can either get real, or you can stay in fantasy-land and lose out on being Greek at all. And as you said - even if the girl squeaks in, she'll probably spend 2/3 of her time as an active worrying about every move she makes and whether she is "measuring up."

As a side note, the old movie "Inside Daisy Clover" was on last night. It's the story of a tomboy who gets discovered by a movie studio who proceeds to change everything about her. Of course, then she's miserable. That just seemed rather pertinent to this discussion.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Thank you. Yes. Exactly.

You can either get real, or you can stay in fantasy-land and lose out on being Greek at all. And as you said - even if the girl squeaks in, she'll probably spend 2/3 of her time as an active worrying about every move she makes and whether she is "measuring up."

As a side note, the old movie "Inside Daisy Clover" was on last night. It's the story of a tomboy who gets discovered by a movie studio who proceeds to change everything about her. Of course, then she's miserable. That just seemed rather pertinent to this discussion.

Right, and generally speaking, no girl can really keep this up.

They'll stay through the NM period and initiate even though they don't like playing "catch up" because they'll think "this is Top House and who in their right mind would depledge Top House?"

Anyone I have ever know in that sort of situation stuck it out maybe that first year, but terminated by next fall. Of course, by then it's too late to try again.