After Several Years: What Do You Think of the New Release Figures?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by carnation

I wish that PH would prep the girls too but as time goes by, several of us have decided that a lot of groups at competitive schools have their "cut after first round" list made well before recruitment. A lot of these girls aren't grade or reputation releases, they're simply unknown to the members.

I understand that. When you've got like 800-900 girls, and most of them are either legacies or girls with 2-3 (or more) recs, or girls who have recs and connections to members via school or whatever and you HAVE to make a cut, the easiest way is probably to say "Who have we NEVER heard of before recruitment?"

Unfortunately, the girls who are total unknowns might be great girls, with good grades/involvement and the potential to be great sisters.

But they probably miss their chance because they (and you can correct me if I'm wrong here) were maybe from a small town and didn't have the connections for recs, or they (unfortunately) took Panhellenics word for it when they said "recs are not required and the sororities will find them for you."

[carnation]

Agree with you 100% on all points! The Greek system misses lots of great girls that way.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by carnation

Agree with you 100% on all points! The Greek system misses lots of great girls that way.

I don't agree with this. If those chapters won't give those "unknown" women a chance they aren't missing out on being Greek, they just go to chapters that will take the time to get to know them or are better at researching PNMs. The Greek system is only missing out on those great girls if those great girls decide to not accept invitations to chapters that do want to get to know them. With release figures it seems that it would be rare for a great girl to not get invites from any chapters.

I'm not advocating that chapters only take girls they know, but frankly that is their business and how they do membership selection. They are only hurting themselves in the long run if they miss out on great members and more conscientious groups take the time and effort to procure recs for women without them.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I don't agree with this. If those chapters won't give those "unknown" women a chance they aren't missing out on being Greek, they just go to chapters that will take the time to get to know them or are better at researching PNMs. The Greek system is only missing out on those great girls if those great girls decide to not accept invitations to chapters that do want to get to know them. With release figures it seems that it would be rare for a great girl to not get invites from any chapters.

I'm not advocating that chapters only take girls they know, but frankly that is their business and how they do membership selection. They are only hurting themselves in the long run if they miss out on great members and more conscientious groups take the time and effort to procure recs for women without them.

Exactly. The Greek Community probably won't miss out on the great "unknown" girls, just certain chapters will.

This is the challenge that popular chapters at competitive schools face. They have to figure out how to have quality conversations with PNMs to get the most information in their limited time so they can make the best decisions in membership selection. Chapters can choose their members however they want. If they are only taking girls they know or going to cut everyone who isn't a "10" (looks wise), that's their prerogative.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I don't agree with this. If those chapters won't give those "unknown" women a chance they aren't missing out on being Greek, they just go to chapters that will take the time to get to know them or are better at researching PNMs. The Greek system is only missing out on those great girls if those great girls decide to not accept invitations to chapters that do want to get to know them. With release figures it seems that it would be rare for a great girl to not get invites from any chapters.

I'm not advocating that chapters only take girls they know, but frankly that is their business and how they do membership selection. They are only hurting themselves in the long run if they miss out on great members and more conscientious groups take the time and effort to procure recs for women without them.

Ditto. Also, I don't think RFM changes the process for those chapters anyway. These chapters made their bid lists before recruitment started before RFM was even invented. They know who they want, and making them release women they don't want early in the process hasn't changed that in the least.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Ditto. Also, I don't think RFM changes the process for those chapters anyway. These chapters made their bid lists before recruitment started before RFM was even invented. They know who they want, and making them release women they don't want early in the process hasn't changed that in the least.

Ain't that the truth. They just have to deal with the fact that more people are going to realize it and that those people will stop kidding themselves with "I know ABC would have taken me if they didn't have so many legacies but they are still super nice!"