Nun excommunicated for allowing abortion to save the life of a mother

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

They have somewhere to go...an ELCA Lutheran Church. They could come every Sunday and we'd (the congregations I've been involved with) never ask them to convert, be rebaptized, reconfirmed, or anything else. They could call themsevles Catholics Affiliated With Lutherans, or something like that. I know quite a few Catholics who spend Sundays with ELCAs Lutherans because they want a home and a relationship with God, but don't feel as if they fit in anywhere else without religious pressure to convert.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

The Episcopal Church is much the same. There is even a term for Episcopalians who still follow most of the beliefs of the RC church.

But RC's believe that communion is only valid at a RC Church (or an Orthodox church but that's not reciprocal). There are certainly strong similarities but if you truly believe the dogma then there is no substitution.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But RC's believe that communion is only valid at a RC Church (or an Orthodox church but that's not reciprocal). There are certainly strong similarities but if you truly believe the dogma then there is no substitution.

http://www.examiner.com/x-27298-Indi...Holy-Eucharist

That is the problem, posted above. If you believe that, you cannot accept another denomination, even if you don't believe in all the man made rules the Catholic church has (birth control, abortion, etc).

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

http://www.examiner.com/x-27298-Indi...Holy-Eucharist

That is the problem, posted above. If you believe that, you cannot accept another denomination, even if you don't believe in all the man made rules the Catholic church has (birth control, abortion, etc).

Oh thank ye. I didn't feel like getting into the details but that article does an excellent job.

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But RC's believe that communion is only valid at a RC Church (or an Orthodox church but that's not reciprocal). There are certainly strong similarities but if you truly believe the dogma then there is no substitution.

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Actually, that might be drawing the line a bit too restrictively. The (RC) Church recognizes the validity of the sacraments if the celebrant is in recognized Holy Orders. This would include all of the Oriental Rites of the Church which are in Communion with Rome. Also recognized (but not reciprocal) are Western rite churches not in communion with Rome such as Old Catholic, Polish National Catholic, and other break away sects which have been careful to preserve the validity of their Holy Orders through Apostolic Succession. Anglican orders are somewhat difficult in that many Curch of England Bishops and Priests were influenced by the Oxford Movement of the nineteenth century and arranged to be "re-ordained and re-consecrated" by Bishops of Orthodox and valid but schismatic churches. Anglican clergy tracing their orders to these Oxford Movement re-consecrated bishops are viewed as being in valid holy orders but not in communion with Rome.
It is interesting to note that the late Pope John Paul II invited Anglicans to receive RC Communion when in areas where it was not reasonably convenient to attend Anglican services. In the case of recognized Anglican clergy it would appear that this is a major move towards inter-communion.
Thoughts?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by dekeguy

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Actually, that might be drawing the line a bit too restrictively. The (RC) Church recognizes the validity of the sacraments if the celebrant is in recognized Holy Orders. This would include all of the Oriental Rites of the Church which are in Communion with Rome. Also recognized (but not reciprocal) are Western rite churches not in communion with Rome such as Old Catholic, Polish National Catholic, and other break away sects which have been careful to preserve the validity of their Holy Orders through Apostolic Succession. Anglican orders are somewhat difficult in that many Curch of England Bishops and Priests were influenced by the Oxford Movement of the nineteenth century and arranged to be "re-ordained and re-consecrated" by Bishops of Orthodox and valid but schismatic churches. Anglican clergy tracing their orders to these Oxford Movement re-consecrated bishops are viewed as being in valid holy orders but not in communion with Rome.
It is interesting to note that the late Pope John Paul II invited Anglicans to receive RC Communion when in areas where it was not reasonably convenient to attend Anglican services. In the case of recognized Anglican clergy it would appear that this is a major move towards inter-communion.
Thoughts?

True points, although I would find taking communion at a church where the acceptance was not reciprocal to be a violation of their hospitality.

I'm not sure if it will lead toward intercommunion or if, following the current social and political developments of the Anglican/Episcopalian church(s?) it won't now instead lead to encouraged conversion to RCatholicism by conservative Anglicans and then a discouragement of cross-communion.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by dekeguy

It is interesting to note that the late Pope John Paul II invited Anglicans to receive RC Communion when in areas where it was not reasonably convenient to attend Anglican services. In the case of recognized Anglican clergy it would appear that this is a major move towards inter-communion.
Thoughts?

Isn't the general canon law that, under extraordinary circumstances, the bishop may give permission for any Christian not in full communion with Rome may receive communion in a Catholic church provided (1) they believe what the Catholic Church teaches regarding the Holy Eucharist and (2) they are deprived of access to a church of their own communion for a significant period of time?

Originally Posted by Drolefille

True points, although I would find taking communion at a church where the acceptance was not reciprocal to be a violation of their hospitality.

In the Presbyterian Church, any baptized Christian may take communion. In our congregation on occasions where it is known that more than the usual likelihood of visiters exists (like confirmation), it will be made clear that "those under a sprirtual discipline that would prevent receiving communion in a Presbyterian church" may come forward for a blessing. FWIW.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

In the Presbyterian Church, any baptized Christian may take communion. In our congregation on occasions where it is known that more than the usual likelihood of visiters exists (like confirmation), it will be made clear that "those under a sprirtual discipline that would prevent receiving communion in a Presbyterian church" may come forward for a blessing. FWIW.

Non-Catholics have the same option in Catholic churches. Anytime you walk up with your arms crossed over your chest (not necessarily all the way down the aisle but right before you get the priest or extraordinary minister) you get a blessing instead of a wafer.