Nun excommunicated for allowing abortion to save the life of a mother

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

According the The Wiki, there are 8 instances where latae sententiae excommunication occurs:

• an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;
• a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;
• a person who uses physical force against the Pope;
• a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the confessor to break the commandment against adultery;
• a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a pontifical mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;
• a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;
• a person who procures a completed abortion; and
• accomplices who are not named in a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication but without whose assistance the violation of the law would not have been committed.

I feel compelled to note that MURDER ISN'T FUCKING ON THERE BUT ABORTION IS.

/rage

[DaemonSeid]

According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure,"


...wait, was she not human?

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

According the The Wiki, there are 8 instances where latae sententiae excommunication occurs:

• an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;
• a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;
• a person who uses physical force against the Pope;
• a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the confessor to break the commandment against adultery;
• a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a pontifical mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;
• a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;
• a person who procures a completed abortion; and
• accomplices who are not named in a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication but without whose assistance the violation of the law would not have been committed.

I see that raping children, or aiding and abetting in the raping of children, isn't on there. Awesome.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I see that raping children, or aiding and abetting in the raping of children, isn't on there. Awesome.

To be fair, these are just offenses where you are automatically excommunicated. I actually think a few priests were excommunicated for molestation of children. I do find it strange that rape is not on there. I don't recall, but it is possible that rape as a concept is not in the bible, or at least any differently from other forms of unmarried intercourse.

[starang21]

catholics kill me.

[AOII Angel]

Very interesting insights into the Catholic religion. I obviously wasn't raised Catholic so don't understand how all this works.

[ASUADPi]

This just clarifies to me why I sometimes don't understand the Catholic church.

And seriously, I plan to avoid St. Joe's if I ever move back to AZ. Which is sad that I say that because as an AZ native, I know that St. Joe's is one of the better hospitals in the Phx metro area (see Bret Michaels who is at the Barrow nuerological institute).

I just don't understand why the Catholic church would think it is okay for this young woman, with 4 young children, should die because they don't want her to have a life saving abortion and now are punishing the people at the hospital who performed it. I guess I just don't understand when a fetus (a fetus, not even a baby) became more important than those 4 living, breathing, human beings! I just don't get it. Someone please explain it to me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

This just clarifies to me why I sometimes don't understand the Catholic church.

And seriously, I plan to avoid St. Joe's if I ever move back to AZ. Which is sad that I say that because as an AZ native, I know that St. Joe's is one of the better hospitals in the Phx metro area (see Bret Michaels who is at the Barrow nuerological institute).

I just don't understand why the Catholic church would think it is okay for this young woman, with 4 young children, should die because they don't want her to have a life saving abortion and now are punishing the people at the hospital who performed it. I guess I just don't understand when a fetus (a fetus, not even a baby) became more important than those 4 living, breathing, human beings! I just don't get it. Someone please explain it to me.

I think it's what happens when you're so concerned about the afterlife that the life isn't as big of a concern. Not that the Church wants people to die, but they would rather you die innocent than sin so gravely.

And it's the whole life begins at conception thing too. Because they can't figure out, or god forbid make up, the moment when the soul exists they save time and go back to sperm+egg. Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck. So focused on black and white yes/nos that you can't promote condoms to prevent disease.

[Pope]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The whole thing is a clusterfuck.

This.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Pope

This.

LOL.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

I was pretty sure it was the Sacred Sperm thing. Sex is to be used only for purposes of procreation, ((though the Church does now allow married couples to use natural family planning)) and anything that can not result in pregency is a sin.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I was pretty sure it was the Sacred Sperm thing. Sex is to be used only for purposes of procreation, ((though the Church does now allow married couples to use natural family planning)) and anything that can not result in pregency is a sin.

Yep. Although I argue that (from a religious perspective) they're giving God pretty low expectations seeing how it is possible to get pregnant on birth control, just not likely. But if it's God then he could make it happen if it was indeed, his will.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think it's what happens when you're so concerned about the afterlife that the life isn't as big of a concern. Not that the Church wants people to die, but they would rather you die innocent than sin so gravely.

And it's the whole life begins at conception thing too. Because they can't figure out, or god forbid make up, the moment when the soul exists they save time and go back to sperm+egg. Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck. So focused on black and white yes/nos that you can't promote condoms to prevent disease.

Wow. I say this ALL the time!

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think it's what happens when you're so concerned about the afterlife that the life isn't as big of a concern. Not that the Church wants people to die, but they would rather you die innocent than sin so gravely.

And it's the whole life begins at conception thing too. Because they can't figure out, or god forbid make up, the moment when the soul exists they save time and go back to sperm+egg. Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck. So focused on black and white yes/nos that you can't promote condoms to prevent disease.

And this is what I will never understand or agree with. How can you be so concerned with the afterlife and unborn fetuses that you are not concerned with the lives that are already here and will be greatly impacted. What about this woman's other children? Do they not deserve a mother because of one child that is not even in the world yet and will likely die anyway? Religion or not, this is ridiculous! Sometimes as human beings, we just have to use our common sense. No disrespect to the Catholics, but I am sooo not a fan of the Catholic Church. At the end of the day, we all know that much of their rules serve man, not God. Yeah, I said it!!!!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

And this is what I will never understand or agree with. How can you be so concerned with the afterlife and unborn fetuses that you are not concerned with the lives that are already here and will be greatly impacted. What about this woman's other children? Do they not deserve a mother because of one child that is not even in the world yet and will likely die anyway? Religion or not, this is ridiculous! Sometimes as human beings, we just have to use our common sense. No disrespect to the Catholics, but I am sooo not a fan of the Catholic Church. At the end of the day, we all know that much of their rules serve man, not God. Yeah, I said it!!!!

The thinking would probably be along the lines of God will provide.