New SCOTUS nominee

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

If that's the point she's making, she's not making it well.

I agree, and I am perhaps giving too much of the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

With that said, it is true that sexual orientation is more easily hidden than race and ethnicity. Discrimination and -isms are about power dynamics and identifiability. If groups are not identifiable as a power minority, they are not easily targeted for bigotry and discrimination.

Now...that discussion sucked hairy rat balls.

How would you know what sucking hairy rat balls was like?

And I'd modify the statement I left in your quote slightly. They are no easy individual targets for bigotry, but lack of visibility can also increase the prejudice against the group itself. If only because there's no one visible to contradict the stereotypes. I'm not sure I'm making my point clear, so do let me know if you think I'm just being more confusing.

I'm trying to get at the idea of "GAY PEOPLE ARE LIKE X Y Z. Oh wait, my best friend Bob is gay? Well, he's ok... and so is that singer I like, and my neighbor.. well I guess they're not so bad." i just don't know what word I'm looking for.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And I'd modify the statement I left in your quote slightly. They are no easy individual targets for bigotry, but lack of visibility can also increase the prejudice against the group itself. If only because there's no one visible to contradict the stereotypes. I'm not sure I'm making my point clear, so do let me know if you think I'm just being more confusing.

I'm trying to get at the idea of "GAY PEOPLE ARE LIKE X Y Z. Oh wait, my best friend Bob is gay? Well, he's ok... and so is that singer I like, and my neighbor.. well I guess they're not so bad." i just don't know what word I'm looking for.

I know what you mean, but I don't care about stereotypes. Prejudice and bigotry are about stereotypes, ignorance, and biases. Those things are unimportant to me.

I care about discrimination, which does not require prejudice and bigotry. It is about power dynamics and group advantage. You can like homosexuals and not believe the stereotypes but not want homosexuals to get married because it threatens heterosexual advantage.

As I always say, I don't care if people like me or how they FEEL about any of my group identities. They can think all Black women are dumb hood chicks for all I care. Just don't try to discriminate on the basis of my group identities.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I know what you mean, but I don't care about stereotypes. Prejudice and bigotry are about stereotypes, ignorance, and biases. Those things are unimportant to me.

I care about discrimination, which does not require prejudice and bigotry. It is about power dynamics and group advantage. You can like homosexuals and not believe the stereotypes but not want homosexuals to get married because it threatens heterosexual advantage.

As I always say, I don't care if people like me or how they FEEL about any of my group identities. They can think all Black women are dumb hood chicks for all I care. Just don't try to discriminate on the basis of my group identities.

That's a good way of looking at it. I get hung up on the prejudice and bigotry part...misogyny gets me up in arms EVERY TIME!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I know what you mean, but I don't care about stereotypes. Prejudice and bigotry are about stereotypes, ignorance, and biases. Those things are unimportant to me.

I care about discrimination, which does not require prejudice and bigotry. It is about power dynamics and group advantage. You can like homosexuals and not believe the stereotypes but not want homosexuals to get married because it threatens heterosexual advantage.

As I always say, I don't care if people like me or how they FEEL about any of my group identities. They can think all Black women are dumb hood chicks for all I care. Just don't try to discriminate on the basis of my group identities.

I understand that. I see fighting stereotypes and bigotry as part of fighting discrimination, however no one person can focus on everything.