Oklahoma passes newer strict abortion laws

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Perhaps they are trying to figure out the reason for unwanted pregnancies so they can try to cut down on abortions by preventing them.

Ummm...you mean like birth control? Condoms? Nah...they've proven on many occasions to be interested only in abstinence as a means of prevention of abortions so that can be the reason behind that law.

[squirrely girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

As long as there's some health of the mother exception, prohibitions past week 20 or so on abortion could theoretically be permissible.

This 20 week crap is a BIG problem - viability isn't until around 24 weeks and even then it's a 50% survival chance with excellent medical care and a lot of luck. Trying to stay neutral here but states that keep trying to "push it back" are WRONG.

[Jill1228]

Originally Posted by aephi alum

Can I just tell you how glad I am that I don't live in Oklahoma???

There is also no exemption for rape victims. Oh, you were raped and you got pregnant as a result and you want to abort? Too bad, you'll still have to get an ultrasound (likely a transvag) and sit through a lecture on how your "baby" is sooo beautiful. It must feel like being raped all over again.

Yup, gotta love the dildo cam NOT!

Originally Posted by AGDee

As for the checklist, I think I'd check "Other" with "None of your business" (perhaps with an expletive too!) if given that form.

I know, right?

This is clear and utter bullshit!

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

This 20 week crap is a BIG problem - viability isn't until around 24 weeks and even then it's a 50% survival chance with excellent medical care and a lot of luck. Trying to stay neutral here but states that keep trying to "push it back" are WRONG.

I am under the impression that the age of viability isn't the issue.

Originally Posted by AGDee

It is saying that the doctor does not have to inform you if he thinks your baby has birth defects period.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Well there are various forms of non-forcible rape.

I was gonna say "You're kidding," but I remember the Sami/EJ storyline on Days of Our Lives. Who says daytime TV isn't educational?

[angels&angles]

As a native Oklahoman and a woman, I'm seriously thinking about moving. I've had a lot of talks with friends and boyfriends over the years about what would happen if I got pregnant. I am vehemently pro-choice, but I do not know if I could personally make that choice. But I don't want the state making that choice FOR ME. And trust me, I'm not going to get an abortion clinic without having SERIOUSLY thought about every aspect of this decision, and having somebody patronize me about my fetus is going to piss me off more than anything else.

And withholding important medical information to further your own political or religious agenda is unethical and wrong.

Question: under this law, if I ask about birth defects, can they lie? Or do they have to tell me? Or avoid the question. If they avoid the question, I'm getting a new doctor.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I was gonna say "You're kidding," but I remember the Sami/EJ storyline on Days of Our Lives. Who says daytime TV isn't educational?

Statutory and date rape are both rape, but don't necessarily require force.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Statutory and date rape are both rape, but don't necessarily require force.

I forgot about those. In the sitch I mentioned, EJ would only help Sami save her fiance (who was trapped in a collapsed cabin) if she had sex with him. She "consented" but only under threat. That's obviously a soap opera extreme, but people coerce along the lines of "Do this or else" all the time, especially with adult/child situations.

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

There's another bill coming up HB 3284, a 38 question form a woman has to fill out, and damn it pisses me off. I copied this from the actual bill text.

REASON GIVEN FOR ABORTION (check all applicable):
Having a baby:
Would dramatically change the life of the mother: _________
Would interfere with the education of the mother: _________
Would interfere with the job/employment/career of the mother: ______
etc etc blah blah woof woof

Notice the over-emphasis on the word "mother".

I would also check the "other" box and specify "none of your damned business, kindly keep your legislation out of my uterus!"

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I forgot about those. In the sitch I mentioned, EJ would only help Sami save her fiance (who was trapped in a collapsed cabin) if she had sex with him. She "consented" but only under threat. That's obviously a soap opera extreme, but people coerce along the lines of "Do this or else" all the time, especially with adult/child situations.

I guess it's semantics. To me, anything that isn't freely consented to is forced, that's why it's rape - but I can see why there would be different legal categories.