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Old 04-29-2010, 02:07 AM
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Yes, one can get raped by a family member, hear all about their baby, and not even be told if there are any potential birth defects that may arise because the sperm came from someone they share a lot of DNA with, awesome.
Ooooh okay so it's just for women who are going through the ultrasound/testing for an abortion? I understand. Yes, that's still dumb as IDKW but not on as wide-spread of a scale as I was thinking. I thought the law was for all expecting women who are seeing an OBGYN for a prenatal check-up (that a doc is clear to NEVER reveal birth defects so a woman who finds her baby isn't as healthy as she thought won't then decide to abort). Still, that's seriously messed up.

ETA: As far as law #1, I see both sides to it. I see that the gov't is trying to make women understand the gravity of the decision they're about to make, but it's a solid argument that it's not the gov't's place to "make" women understand anything. That can be seen as overstepping a line and can further traumatize an already traumatized woman/girl. I say "can be seen" because there are undoubtedly people who see it as just the opposite--there had to be for this darn thing to have passed.
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:25 AM
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Ooooh okay so it's just for women who are going through the ultrasound/testing for an abortion? I understand. Yes, that's still dumb as IDKW but not on as wide-spread of a scale as I was thinking. I thought the law was for all expecting women who are seeing an OBGYN for a prenatal check-up (that a doc is clear to NEVER reveal birth defects so a woman who finds her baby isn't as healthy as she thought won't then decide to abort). Still, that's seriously messed up.

ETA: As far as law #1, I see both sides to it. I see that the gov't is trying to make women understand the gravity of the decision they're about to make, but it's a solid argument that it's not the gov't's place to "make" women understand anything. That can be seen as overstepping a line and can further traumatize an already traumatized woman/girl. I say "can be seen" because there are undoubtedly people who see it as just the opposite--there had to be for this darn thing to have passed.
There's another bill coming up HB 3284, a 38 question form a woman has to fill out, and damn it pisses me off. I copied this from the actual bill text.

REASON GIVEN FOR ABORTION (check all applicable):
Having a baby:
Would dramatically change the life of the mother: _________
Would interfere with the education of the mother: _________
Would interfere with the job/employment/career of the mother: ______
Mother has other children or dependents: ________
Mother cannot afford the child: ______
Mother is unmarried: ________
Mother is a student or planning to be a student: ________
Mother cannot afford child care: _______
Mother cannot afford the basic needs of life: ________
Mother is unemployed: _________
Mother cannot leave job to care for a baby: _________
Mother would have to find a new place to live: _________
Mother does not have enough support from a husband or partner: _____
Husband or partner is unemployed: _______
Mother is currently or temporarily on welfare or public assistance: _________
Mother does not want to be a single mother: _______
Mother is having relationship problems: ________
Mother is not certain of relationship with the father of the child: ________
Partner and mother are unable to or do not want to get married: _______
Mother is not currently in a relationship: _______
The relationship or marriage of the mother may soon break up: _______
Husband or partner is abusive to the mother or her children: _______
Mother has completed her childbearing: ________
Mother is not ready for a, or another, child: _______
Mother does not want people to know that she had sex or became pregnant: ________
Mother does not feel mature enough to raise a, or another, child: _______
Husband or partner wants mother to have an abortion: ______
There may be possible problem affecting the health of the fetus: ________
Physical health of the mother is at risk: ________
Parents want mother to have an abortion: _________
Emotional health of the mother is at risk: ________
Mother suffered from a medical emergency as defined in Section 1-738.1 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes: ______
Mother wanted a child of a different sex: ______
Abortion is necessary to avert the death of the mother: ______
Pregnancy was a result of forcible rape: ______
Pregnancy was a result of incest: ______
Other (specify): ______
Patient was asked why she is seeking an abortion, but she declined to give a reason: _______


Why you so damn nosy Oklahoma?
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:33 AM
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There's another bill coming up HB 3284, a 38 question form a woman has to fill out, and damn it pisses me off. I copied this from the actual bill text.


Why you so damn nosy Oklahoma?
A woman does not have to give a reason for ANY OTHER decision concerning her body. Why this?

What's next? Will there be a checklist for a woman who chooses to tie her tubes or something like that?
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:52 AM
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I mean, I don't have to give a reason for ANY OTHER decision concerning my body. Why this?

What's next? Will there be a checklist for a woman who chooses to tie her tubes or something like that?
1. Because it's not just the woman's body, there is a completely seperate body involved belonging to another human being, completely dependent on the first, but seperate nonetheless. Not being facetious--this question has been asked several times and this is always the answer that is given (by whomever the proporters are).

2. Didn't there used to be one of those? Back when it was illegal to tie your tubes without telling your husband/SO? Or is that still illegal in some places? I feel like there was a discussion about this on GC at some point (because a man didn't have to be forthcoming about a v-sec and that double standard was ridiculous).

Honestly, you don't even have to give a reason for declining a flu/hep vaccine! That questionnaire is overboard.
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Old 04-29-2010, 07:14 AM
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Pregnancy was a result of forcible rape: ______
As opposed to non-forcible rape?

Seriously, if laws like this passed in my state, I would move, or at the very least go across the state border for my health care. Scary.
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:47 AM
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As for the checklist, I think I'd check "Other" with "None of your business" (perhaps with an expletive too!) if given that form.
Perhaps they are trying to figure out the reason for unwanted pregnancies so they can try to cut down on abortions by preventing them.

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As opposed to non-forcible rape?
Well there are various forms of non-forcible rape.
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:49 AM
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Perhaps they are trying to figure out the reason for unwanted pregnancies so they can try to cut down on abortions by preventing them.
Ummm...you mean like birth control? Condoms? Nah...they've proven on many occasions to be interested only in abstinence as a means of prevention of abortions so that can be the reason behind that law.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:50 PM
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This 20 week crap is a BIG problem - viability isn't until around 24 weeks and even then it's a 50% survival chance with excellent medical care and a lot of luck. Trying to stay neutral here but states that keep trying to "push it back" are WRONG.
I am under the impression that the age of viability isn't the issue.
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It is saying that the doctor does not have to inform you if he thinks your baby has birth defects period.

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Well there are various forms of non-forcible rape.
I was gonna say "You're kidding," but I remember the Sami/EJ storyline on Days of Our Lives. Who says daytime TV isn't educational?
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Old 04-29-2010, 10:08 PM
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I was gonna say "You're kidding," but I remember the Sami/EJ storyline on Days of Our Lives. Who says daytime TV isn't educational?
Statutory and date rape are both rape, but don't necessarily require force.
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:18 PM
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Statutory and date rape are both rape, but don't necessarily require force.
I forgot about those. In the sitch I mentioned, EJ would only help Sami save her fiance (who was trapped in a collapsed cabin) if she had sex with him. She "consented" but only under threat. That's obviously a soap opera extreme, but people coerce along the lines of "Do this or else" all the time, especially with adult/child situations.
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Old 04-30-2010, 12:07 AM
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There's another bill coming up HB 3284, a 38 question form a woman has to fill out, and damn it pisses me off. I copied this from the actual bill text.

REASON GIVEN FOR ABORTION (check all applicable):
Having a baby:
Would dramatically change the life of the mother: _________
Would interfere with the education of the mother: _________
Would interfere with the job/employment/career of the mother: ______
etc etc blah blah woof woof
Notice the over-emphasis on the word "mother".

I would also check the "other" box and specify "none of your damned business, kindly keep your legislation out of my uterus!"
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