Were Confederate soldiers terrorists?

[SusySorostitute]

"Confederates for their involvement in the Civil War -- which was based on the desire to continue slavery" ...That's what the whole civil war was about?

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by SusySorostitute

"Confederates for their involvement in the Civil War -- which was based on the desire to continue slavery" ...That's what the whole civil war was about?

Just like any other war, it was fought for the same old reason: Money. In this case, the use of slavery was part of the money. Yet, when Abraham Lincoln signed the Emacipation Proclamation, it did NOT free any slaves in non-Confederate states. And don't get me started on how the Maryland Legistlature wasn't permitted to hold a vote on joining the CSA. Lincoln himself was fond of the "n" word.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Just like any other war, it was fought for the same old reason: Money. In this case, the use of slavery was part of the money. Yet, when Abraham Lincoln signed the Emacipation Proclamation, it did NOT free any slaves in non-Confederate states. And don't get me started on how the Maryland Legistlature wasn't permitted to hold a vote on joining the CSA. Lincoln himself was fond of the "n" word.

Well while everybody focuses on slavery, it was actually a relatively minor issue. The South wanted the right to govern themselves, especially with internal issues like slavery. Lincoln didn't really care about the slaves. He fought to preserve the Union.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Well while everybody focuses on slavery, it was actually a relatively minor issue. The South wanted the right to govern themselves, especially with internal issues like slavery. Lincoln didn't really care about the slaves. He fought to preserve the Union.

This.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Lincoln didn't really care about the slaves. He fought to preserve the Union.

Yep, which is why I don't celebrate Lincoln. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

As for the rumors that he was mixed with Black, that may or may not be true, but a lot of people were (secretly) mixed with Black then and now. We have enough people of the African diaspora in the world. We don't need to go fishing for any more.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yep, which is why I don't celebrate Lincoln. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

That's a little brash, given how much the man did for the country at that time. And yes, he was for ending slavery. One of the factors to the lead up to sucession was Lincolns winning of the election. It was known that Lincoln was going to abolish slavery while he was in office, it wasn't until war was obviously coming did he put that aside and focused on preserving the union.

[honeychile]

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it...

Don't get me wrong - I think Lincoln was a skillful and one of the best Presidents. I just get sick to death of the constant diefication of him at times, especially for things he didn't say or do.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honeychile

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it...

Don't get me wrong - I think Lincoln was a skillful and one of the best Presidents. I just get sick to death of the constant diefication of him at times, especially for things he didn't say or do.

I get your point and agree about "constant deification." Lincoln was human, just like the rest of us.

But I do think if you're going to use that quote, it needs to be used in context. Standing alone it can convey quite a different meaning from what I think Lincoln intended.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honeychile

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it...

Don't get me wrong - I think Lincoln was a skillful and one of the best Presidents. I just get sick to death of the constant diefication of him at times, especially for things he didn't say or do.

Lest we be reminded of the Obama/Lincoln comparisons.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

That's a little brash....

Thanks. I'll be here all week.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Well while everybody focuses on slavery, it was actually a relatively minor issue.

While I think you have a point, I wouldn't go so far as to say slavery was "relatively minor." There were a number of factors that led to the war -- economics (as honey has mentioned) and differing constitutional understandings and ideas of federalism being among the leading factors. But these factors were all inter-related, and slavery was deeply woven into the woof and warp of them all.

While it's probably not accurate to say the slavery was the reason for the war, I don't think it's accurate either to say it was a relatively minor issue. It was the common denominator in all the factors the lead to the war.