Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Actually, I already have a job. Several of them as a matter of fact; hence my starting a consulting firm as a vehicle to consolidate these jobs through.

Why don't you stick to the issues at hand rather than being so concerned about my personal affairs as a weak attempt to make a point?

In other words, you are unemployed.

Consulting, lots of projects, etc. usually are code words for "I-ain't-got-no-job."

When you gain an informed understanding of the topic at hand and start to make sense, then I will stop picking on you.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

In other words, you are unemployed.

Consulting, lots of projects, etc. usually are code words for "I-ain't-got-no-job."

From a W-2 employee standpoint, you are right; I am self-employed. And for the record, I voluntarily quit a W-2 job back in 2008 because I decided that I can do much better working on my own without having to endure silly office politics, or hot-air windbag bosses. Actually, it was the market who wanted MY services, and not necessarily the services of the firm I was with (and btw, my non-compete agreement has long since expired should you decide to take it there). Had it not been for them, I probably would still be at that firm today, employed but miserable.

When you gain an informed understanding of the topic at hand and start to make sense, then I will stop picking on you.

For the record, I do have an informed understanding of the topic, I simply do not ACCEPT it as a valid excuse or explanation, nor will I cowtow to the likes of you in the process.

ETA: If you have to "pick on me" simply because you disagree with me or what I believe in, what does that say about you or your ability to effectively debate an issue? Essentially what you just said is that you're going to continue to insult me and make pointless jabs at me because I don't agree with you. Why should your side of the issue mean anything or hold any weight if that's the case?

LatinaAlumna, I think you're seriously tipping your hand here....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For the record, I do have an informed understanding of the topic, I simply do not ACCEPT it as a valid excuse or explanation, nor will I cowtow to the likes of you in the process.

Been watching the thread for awhile now. The bolded text is where I'm at. I understand the excuses I'm hearing, but I don't consider them valid. When libra (for example) said she's only had two interviews in the course of three months, yet doesn't feel she's responsible at all for her financial situation, I understood that she felt as if she had no responsibility for her situation, but I disagreed.

I can see that this is a very personal and emotionally charged topic. And it's not that I don't understand that these folks are experiencing real emotional pain -- I get that. But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.

What's funny is that they actually think what you or I do is even relevant to the conversation. Here we are trying to make the very valid point that if one is out of work for more than a year, (or a lengthy period of time along those lines) that they might bear some responsibility for that -- not an earth shattering proposition.

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by Kevin

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas...

ummm...no. The jobs aren't here either, so you can cut that shit off right now.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by epchick

ummm...no. The jobs aren't here either, so you can cut that shit off right now.

Texas' rate is much less than Michigan's and the rest of the U.S. (8.2%) Sure, Oklahoma, the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc. have lower rates, but not by a lot until you start to get into the top 3.

Also, I'm guessing, but I would think in urban Texas, the rate would be a lot better since a great deal of Texas consists of podunk small towns with minimal employment opportunity. Same with OKC, Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Texas' rate is much less than Michigan's

PiKA is from Michigan. He wasn't "smart" in the sense that he left Michigan and came to Texas to get a job. He just got lucky that his job transferred him out of Michigan.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by epchick

ummm...no. The jobs aren't here either, so you can cut that shit off right now.

We have it a lot better here than in other parts of the country. I'll take the local economy here over the situation in Detroit ANY day.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Kevin

But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.
.

THIS

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Been watching the thread for awhile now. The bolded text is where I'm at. I understand the excuses I'm hearing, but I don't consider them valid. When libra (for example) said she's only had two interviews in the course of three months, yet doesn't feel she's responsible at all for her financial situation, I understood that she felt as if she had no responsibility for her situation, but I disagreed.

I can see that this is a very personal and emotionally charged topic. And it's not that I don't understand that these folks are experiencing real emotional pain -- I get that. But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.

What's funny is that they actually think what you or I do is even relevant to the conversation. Here we are trying to make the very valid point that if one is out of work for more than a year, (or a lengthy period of time along those lines) that they might bear some responsibility for that -- not an earth shattering proposition.

I think that what a lot of folks here are not getting is this:

Maurice Phipps (Laurence Fishburne) said it best in the movie Higher Learning talking with Malik Williams (Omar Epps):

"You must rid yourself of the attitude that the world owes you something. It breeds laziness."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MK2OVfG1ds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqG8-...eature=related

LA, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here, contrary to what you may think. I know for a fact my talents and abilites I can showcase to the marketplace speaks for itself. If anything, I think all the scenarios and anecdotes I am hearing about why folks here cannot find work and they have so many degrees says more about them having something to prove to the world and why the world owes them something.

Americans need to drop the entitlement mentality. We are barely entitled to the air we breathe, much less anything else we are provided in life.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I think that what a lot of folks here are not getting is this:

Maurice Phipps (Laurence Fishburne) said it best in the movie Higher Learning talking with Malik Williams (Omar Epps):

"You must rid yourself of the attitude that the world owes you something. It breeds laziness."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MK2OVfG1ds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqG8-...eature=related

LA, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here, contrary to what you may think. I know for a fact my talents and abilites I can showcase to the marketplace speaks for itself. If anything, I think all the scenarios and anecdotes I am hearing about why folks here cannot find work and they have so many degrees says more about them having something to prove to the world and why the world owes them something.

Americans need to drop the entitlement mentality. We are barely entitled to the air we breathe, much less anything else we are provided in life.

ButchooooSTILLaintgotnojobTommy.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Been watching the thread for awhile now. The bolded text is where I'm at. I understand the excuses I'm hearing, but I don't consider them valid. When libra (for example) said she's only had two interviews in the course of three months, yet doesn't feel she's responsible at all for her financial situation, I understood that she felt as if she had no responsibility for her situation, but I disagreed.

I can see that this is a very personal and emotionally charged topic. And it's not that I don't understand that these folks are experiencing real emotional pain -- I get that. But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.

What's funny is that they actually think what you or I do is even relevant to the conversation. Here we are trying to make the very valid point that if one is out of work for more than a year, (or a lengthy period of time along those lines) that they might bear some responsibility for that -- not an earth shattering proposition.

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

Kevin, I never said that I didn't feel responsible for MY financial situation!

What I was frankly saying was that when you don't have a job, you worry about how you are going to pay YOUR bills.

Now as far as me feeling that I have no responsiblity for my situation, like I said before, I didn't tell my ex-boss to steal 8 million dollars and I didn't tell her to bilk Medicaid and Medicare. THAT was somthing that I HAD NO CONTROL OVER!

I'm sorry if you REFUSE to understand this. It's something that you NEED to deal with, NOT ME.

Originally Posted by Kevin

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

Dude, I LIVE in TEXAS already. The unemployment rate is 8.2% (just got the paper today) and sorry, the jobs aren't here either.

But more to the point, I'm sorry, if you don't have employment where you are at, what would prompt you to just up and jump somewhere else if you don't have a job awaiting you there? Yes it can be and has been done before, but people usually don't leave one job before they have another. That's just what "normal" people do, it is an old saying.

What you are seeming to be unable or unwilling to do is understand that people are trying and doing what they can, yet they cannot find full time work.

Learn how to stop living in your own world and look at the situation around you, you might just see things for yourself. But then again, you'd have to remove the blinders from covering your own eyes to your ass.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by Kevin

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

DC is better than a lot of places right now, but it's still not great. My husband graduated law school last May -- his original job offer (from the summer after 2L year) got rescinded when the company started to flounder in the economy. He finished in the top 10% of his class, was editor of a journal, had a ton of internships and fellowships, and is networking like hell -- and he still hasn't found anything, and has only had a few interviews. We're lucky that he was able to get a retail job that gets him close to 40 hours a week, and I make a good amount of money for my field and we have health insurance. He's also clerking for free at the Superior Court and doing legal research for professors. The only attorneys from his class that he knows that have jobs are the two women who graduated #1 and #2, and several people had internships with judges who then took them on as full-time clerks.