Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

And you're right that I don't understand the dynamics of welfare because I work for a living. I'll leave the topic to you and the others on this board currently on WIC. Ciao!

I'm glad you were able to find employment with your lack of reading comprehension skills, critical thinking ability, and wit. Maybe you can show your buddy Kaptial how you were still able to find work despite these flaws. He seems to need a J-O-B...

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

I'm glad you were able to find employment with your lack of reading comprehension skills, critical thinking ability, and wit. Maybe you can show your buddy Kaptial how you were still able to find work despite these flaws. He seems to need a J-O-B...

Actually, I already have a job. Several of them as a matter of fact; hence my starting a consulting firm as a vehicle to consolidate these jobs through.

Why don't you stick to the issues at hand rather than being so concerned about my personal affairs as a weak attempt to make a point?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Actually, I already have a job. Several of them as a matter of fact; hence my starting a consulting firm as a vehicle to consolidate these jobs through.

Hmm...

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

And yes, I am also without a job

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Hmm...

I was referring to a "regular" W-2 employee type of job. I didn't expect you to interpret that to mean that I wasn't working, period.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I was referring to a "regular" W-2 employee type of job. I didn't expect you to interpret that to mean that I wasn't working, period.

You didn't think anyone would think "I am without a job" meant "I have no job?"

Interesting.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

You didn't think anyone would think "I am without a job" meant "I have no job?"

Interesting.

Forest for the trees, dude. Forest for the trees.

Then again, I forgot who I was talking to, especially in light of your post essentially serving as the point of contention for this entire debate. So yeah, I guess you would find it interesting. Touche.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

You didn't think anyone would think "I am without a job" meant "I have no job?"

Interesting.

OK! That's exactly what I concluded.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Hmm...

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I was referring to a "regular" W-2 employee type of job. I didn't expect you to interpret that to mean that I wasn't working, period.

why not?

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Actually, I already have a job. Several of them as a matter of fact; hence my starting a consulting firm as a vehicle to consolidate these jobs through.

Why don't you stick to the issues at hand rather than being so concerned about my personal affairs as a weak attempt to make a point?

In other words, you are unemployed.

Consulting, lots of projects, etc. usually are code words for "I-ain't-got-no-job."

When you gain an informed understanding of the topic at hand and start to make sense, then I will stop picking on you.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

In other words, you are unemployed.

Consulting, lots of projects, etc. usually are code words for "I-ain't-got-no-job."

From a W-2 employee standpoint, you are right; I am self-employed. And for the record, I voluntarily quit a W-2 job back in 2008 because I decided that I can do much better working on my own without having to endure silly office politics, or hot-air windbag bosses. Actually, it was the market who wanted MY services, and not necessarily the services of the firm I was with (and btw, my non-compete agreement has long since expired should you decide to take it there). Had it not been for them, I probably would still be at that firm today, employed but miserable.

When you gain an informed understanding of the topic at hand and start to make sense, then I will stop picking on you.

For the record, I do have an informed understanding of the topic, I simply do not ACCEPT it as a valid excuse or explanation, nor will I cowtow to the likes of you in the process.

ETA: If you have to "pick on me" simply because you disagree with me or what I believe in, what does that say about you or your ability to effectively debate an issue? Essentially what you just said is that you're going to continue to insult me and make pointless jabs at me because I don't agree with you. Why should your side of the issue mean anything or hold any weight if that's the case?

LatinaAlumna, I think you're seriously tipping your hand here....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For the record, I do have an informed understanding of the topic, I simply do not ACCEPT it as a valid excuse or explanation, nor will I cowtow to the likes of you in the process.

Been watching the thread for awhile now. The bolded text is where I'm at. I understand the excuses I'm hearing, but I don't consider them valid. When libra (for example) said she's only had two interviews in the course of three months, yet doesn't feel she's responsible at all for her financial situation, I understood that she felt as if she had no responsibility for her situation, but I disagreed.

I can see that this is a very personal and emotionally charged topic. And it's not that I don't understand that these folks are experiencing real emotional pain -- I get that. But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.

What's funny is that they actually think what you or I do is even relevant to the conversation. Here we are trying to make the very valid point that if one is out of work for more than a year, (or a lengthy period of time along those lines) that they might bear some responsibility for that -- not an earth shattering proposition.

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by Kevin

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas...

ummm...no. The jobs aren't here either, so you can cut that shit off right now.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by epchick

ummm...no. The jobs aren't here either, so you can cut that shit off right now.

Texas' rate is much less than Michigan's and the rest of the U.S. (8.2%) Sure, Oklahoma, the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc. have lower rates, but not by a lot until you start to get into the top 3.

Also, I'm guessing, but I would think in urban Texas, the rate would be a lot better since a great deal of Texas consists of podunk small towns with minimal employment opportunity. Same with OKC, Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by epchick

ummm...no. The jobs aren't here either, so you can cut that shit off right now.

We have it a lot better here than in other parts of the country. I'll take the local economy here over the situation in Detroit ANY day.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Kevin

But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.
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THIS