More Men are Marrying Wealthier Women

[DrPhil]

Oh and I was teasing when I said "people like cheerfulgreek...."

But, in all honestly, I see what cheerfulgreek is saying (assuming she wasn't trying to condescend those who work in these jobs) because low wage labor where there is no promise of longevity is not a steady income. It is an honest income that works for as long as you are blessed to have the income.

Other than that, God bless those who have honest jobs even if they have to work 2-3 jobs to get those unsteady incomes. I consider that a last resort but it is a first resort for many. God bless us all.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. And I'm not talking fast food either. I hardly call throwing a few cold cuts on a sandwich for $5 bucks an hour (or whatever minimum wage is) "a steady income".

eta: as long as there's some kind of ambition. Seriously. Finances are one of the main causes of divorce. I'm just being realistic.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Oh and I was teasing when I said "people like cheerfulgreek...."

But, in all honestly, I see what cheerfulgreek is saying (assuming she wasn't trying to condescend those who work in these jobs) because low wage labor where there is no promise of longevity is not a steady income. It is an honest income that works for as long as you are blessed to have the income.

Other than that, God bless those who have honest jobs even if they have to work 2-3 jobs to get those unsteady incomes. I consider that a last resort but it is a first resort for many. God bless us all.

THIS.

And I don't want anyone to think I'm a gold digger or anything like that, because I'm not. I wasn't trying to be condescending at all, it's just that a guy without some kind of ambition to me is lazy. I hate lazy people. Seriously. I mean, at least make enough money to be able to support yourself. Working at McDonalds, Scrubway, Taco Hell, etc. etc. alone is not going to pay the bills and it definitely will not provide for a family. When I get married and he gets laid off or something and has to work two or three jobs, then I'm o.k. with that, but I would hope that he's tryng to do something to get back on his feet. I'm just trying to be realistic, that's all I'm doing. A lot of people say they would be o.k. with people doing this or someone doing that in a marriage, but really, when the responsibility sets in, then what? I'm sorry, but if I met a guy and he said he worked at McDonalds, I'm going to ask "doing what?" and if he's my age or in his 30s and he's a "french fry engineer" or whatever the title is now, or he's not in school, or trying to work his way up the ladder at McDonald's then I'm going to wonder why is this guy who's in my age group, not in school, or not doing anything else to try and better himself? If he's a nice guy then he can be nice for some other girl. I guess I'll miss out on a sweet, genuine guy. I seriously would rather be single. However, I don't mind if he's making less than me, I really don't, as long as I feel financially secure with him. When I'm all done with school and everything else that I plan on doing, he probably will be making less than me, and that's o.k. but I'm not going to take care of kids and an adult guy who works fast food jobs. Sorry.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Working at McDonalds, Scrubway, Taco Hell, etc. etc. alone is not going to pay the bills

Depends on what kind of bills said person has. And what position he has.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Depends on what kind of bills said person has. And what position he has.

If he's making sandwiches as a sandwich guy or whatever they call the title now, then no. Whatever kind of bills he has, if he's making sandwiches for a living, and that's it, then he's living check to check. That's not financial stability.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

...then he's living check to check. That's not financial stability.

A lot of people work better jobs than fast food places and still live paycheck to paycheck. A "good" job and ambition don't mean anything when you can't even live w/i your means and are up to your eyeballs in debt.


ETA: A manager at Starbucks makes more money than a teacher (at least here they do). I wouldn't necessarily knock "fast-food" jobs.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by epchick

A lot of people wore better jobs than fast food places and still live paycheck to paycheck. A "good" job and ambition don't mean anything when you can't even live w/i your means and are up to your eyeballs in debt.

*nods*

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If he's making sandwiches as a sandwich guy or whatever they call the title now, then no. Whatever kind of bills he has, if he's making sandwiches for a living, and that's it, then he's living check to check. That's not financial stability.

If someone is debt free and is making (for example) $30,000 as a manager at one of those places, I don't see how that's not stable.

If he has 324,234 credit cards and is a "sandwich artist," then I can see your point. Not everyone falls into that category, though.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If someone is debt free and is making (for example) $30,000 as a manager at one of those places, I don't see how that's not stable.

If he has 324,234 credit cards and is a "sandwich artist," then I can see your point. Not everyone falls into that category, though.

find me someone who is making $30K and debt free ^wink^

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

find me someone who is making $30K and debt free ^wink^

I've seen it once, so there's bound to be others lol

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by epchick

A lot of people wore better jobs than fast food places and still live paycheck to paycheck. A "good" job and ambition don't mean anything when you can't even live w/i your means and are up to your eyeballs in debt.


ETA: A manager at Starbucks makes more money than a teacher (at least here they do). I wouldn't necessarily knock "fast-food" jobs.

A teacher requires an education and is a career path. A manager at Startbucks can also be a career path. It's also important not to live above your means. There are some people making 6 figures and are still living paycheck to paycheck, and that's because they're living above their means.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If someone is debt free and is making (for example) $30,000 as a manager at one of those places, I don't see how that's not stable.

If he has 324,234 credit cards and is a "sandwich artist," then I can see your point. Not everyone falls into that category, though.

I didn't say manager. I said sandwich maker...entry level. No ambition.

eta: and if he has that much credit card debt, then he's not very good with money.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

A teacher requires an education and is career path. A manager at Startbucks can also be a career path. It's also important not to live above your means. There are some people making 6 figures and are still living paycheck to paycheck, and that's because they're living above their means.


I didn't say manager. I said sandwich maker...entry level. No ambition.

eta: and if he has that much credit card debt, then he's not very good with money.

Entry level is just that -- entry. Not everyone is fortunate enough to get a higher position right off the bat. Maybe he's paying his dues until something better comes along. You never know a person's full situation.

And to the ETA: That was my point

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If someone is debt free and is making (for example) $30,000 as a manager at one of those places, I don't see how that's not stable.

If he has 324,234 credit cards and is a "sandwich artist," then I can see your point. Not everyone falls into that category, though.

stable and comfortable are two different things. and two people can have two definitions of what comfortable is.

someone can be comfortable on 30k. i'm just not that someone.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

THIS.

And I don't want anyone to think I'm a gold digger or anything like that, because I'm not. I wasn't trying to be condescending at all, it's just that a guy without some kind of ambition to me is lazy. I hate lazy people. Seriously. I mean, at least make enough money to be able to support yourself. Working at McDonalds, Scrubway, Taco Hell, etc. etc. alone is not going to pay the bills and it definitely will not provide for a family. When I get married and he gets laid off or something and has to work two or three jobs, then I'm o.k. with that, but I would hope that he's tryng to do something to get back on his feet. I'm just trying to be realistic, that's all I'm doing. A lot of people say they would be o.k. with people doing this or someone doing that in a marriage, but really, when the responsibility sets in, then what? I'm sorry, but if I met a guy and he said he worked at McDonalds, I'm going to ask "doing what?" and if he's my age or in his 30s and he's a "french fry engineer" or whatever the title is now, or he's not in school, or trying to work his way up the ladder at McDonald's then I'm going to wonder why is this guy who's in my age group, not in school, or not doing anything else to try and better himself? If he's a nice guy then he can be nice for some other girl. I guess I'll miss out on a sweet, genuine guy. I seriously would rather be single. However, I don't mind if he's making less than me, I really don't, as long as I feel financially secure with him. When I'm all done with school and everything else that I plan on doing, he probably will be making less than me, and that's o.k. but I'm not going to take care of kids and an adult guy who works fast food jobs. Sorry.

And I agree. It's not about being a gold digger, it's about meeting someone close to where you are just in case one stumbles the other can pick up some of the slack

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And I agree. It's not about being a gold digger, it's about meeting someone close to where you are just in case one stumbles the other can pick up some of the slack

And Daemon, that's all it is. That's all I'm saying, and I agree with you 100%.