kappa sigma at fgcu?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It's kind of giving me a lady boner.

[knight_shadow]

MC, 33girl, and LaneSig FTMFW

[knight_shadow]

^^^ You really are an idiot. <---directed at KSigAdvisor

If you really feel your rights have been violated, take it up with the courts. I'm sure MC will represent you, once his mind is up and running again

BTW -- if you're an undergrad, how are you an advisor?

[agzg]

i<3youguyz.

[knight_shadow]

You are doing the absolute most, and sounding more and more like an idiot in the process.

[stufield]

Paste by SWTexBelle:

"Honest to goodness, for the sake of the undoubtedly good guys who are in the colony, please stop being argumentative and combative - you are not helping the cause. If you can't present your argument without being insulting maybe it's time to step away from the keyboard. "

subsequently posted by KSigAdvisor:
"'Calm down... if your small brain will allow.... "I'm just sayin....'"

KSigAdvisor:

I'm a Kappa Sig,and I'm with SWTexBelle all the way. I've read your posts on this thread and for the most part they are embarrassing to the Fraternity and the FGSU colony. If you are the colony's advisor, and your attitude and comments on this thread are reflective of those of the colony members, or, worse yet, are indicative of the attitudinal influence you are having on the colony members as their 'advisor', it is small wonder that the colony is facing so much opposition on campus, and I have no doubt that it will take years for the Rho-Zeta Chapter, as it will soon be, to gain formal recognition. Comments like "if your small brain will allow" to a sorority member, whether stated in earnest or in jest, certainly will not win the colony/chapter any perhaps much-needed and certainly what would be much-appreciated sorority support.

Having said that, I think a couple of other posters on this thread miss one of your points. Kappa Sigma ALWAYS supports open expansion opportunity by fraternities and/or sororities at colleges and universities. Kappa Sigma is not suggesting that other GLOs necessarily need that support or are dependent on it; but other fraternities and sororities have the reassurance that Kappa Sigma (and some other like-minded fraternities) will always provide it.

I believe that Kappa Sigma, and any other fraternity and sorority, should have the right to establish an operative presence ... an interest group, then a colony, and then a chapter, if the group succeeds ... if it wants to do so, at FGCU and at any other public college or university, and that as long as it adheres to that school's polices regarding conduct, pledging, academic standards, and so on, it should be accorded formal/official recognition. I do not believe that any fraternity or sorority should be subject to being told by such a school if and when it can come on campus. Private colleges and universities are, of course, a different matter. However, once a fraternity does establish a presence at a public college or university, it should do everything it can to attract/inculcate/develop support and build a positive reputation on campus. I have been unable to determine from the posts on this thread whether the Kappa Sig colony at FGSU has done that, or whether they have given the school's administration and the other GLOs on campus the proverbial finger and essentially alienated most, if not, all of those whose support it should be seeking. Certainly comments like KSigAdvisor's telling someone, even if it is a poster on this thread who is not actually a FGSU student, to "'Calm down... if [her] small brain will allow..." does not make me feel too optimistic in that regard. I hope that the actual colony members show more respect for others.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

MysticCat, it sounds like maybe slow days are normal for you, cognitively speaking.

Well, yes., you got me on that. It was a Friday afternoon after all, the pollen was heavy and Duke won the NCAA men's finals this week. Who wouldn't be in a downward spiral cognitively?

If you can get over my insults, MysticCat, the ones that I'm entitled to because your groups voted to keep us out of IFC, then please expand upon your following comment:

"The Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the school from treating similarly situated entities differently. Since nothing you have said has shown me that the Kappa Sig colony is similarly situated to the IFC chapters that actually followed the procedure for recognition, it still looks like you're overstating things to me."

Again you assume. My fraternity (non-NIC) doesn't have a chapter at FGCU, IFC or otherwise. And don't try to tell me you're helping us out, because my fraternity will not colonize without approval from the school.

I don't know why I bother, but I'll just say that I have seen judges on quite a few occasions basically say "don't waste my time telling me the rule that keeps you out is unconstitutional when you might have been able to comply with the rule to begin with but didn't even try."

You know, I really don't know what's more remarkable: That you're spending this much energy arguing with strangers on the internet or that you think insults, condescension and prickishness are effective means of persuasion.

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

I'm embarrassed by the example you set for the undergraduates.

It all evens out then. I'm embarrassed by the example you set for your fraternity brothers.

Originally Posted by jennyj87

I'm so glad you are the representation of the fraternity that wants to come on my campus. This defiantly makes me want to support you. Please, come and help us poor small brained sorority women at this campus. I don't know how any of us have been functioning for the past seven years without you.

Originally Posted by stufield

I'm a Kappa Sig,and I'm with SWTexBelle all the way. I've read your posts on this thread and for the most part they are embarrassing to the Fraternity and the FGSU colony. If you are the colony's advisor, and your attitude and comments on this thread are reflective of those of the colony members, or, worse yet, are indicative of the attitudinal influence you are having on the colony members as their 'advisor', it is small wonder that the colony is facing so much opposition on campus, and I have no doubt that it will take years for the Rho-Zeta Chapter, as it will soon be, to gain formal recognition. Comments like "if your small brain will allow" to a sorority member, whether stated in earnest or in jest, certainly will not win the colony/chapter any perhaps much-needed and certainly what would be much-appreciated sorority support.

I rest my case.

[knight_shadow]

So now, every American has the RIGHT to be an undergraduate member of a GLO?

[knight_shadow]

LOL You are clueless.

[rex in effect]

All I have to say is that the men of the soon to be Rho Zeta chapter of Kappa Sigma have proven all doubters wrong. They succeeded and are becoming a chapter. I would put money on it that FGCU, their IFC, and PanHellenic wanted them to fail because that way the issue would just go away. The fact they are succeeding and becoming a chapter is probably making FGCU mad because they are getting stronger and are not gonna back down. As for the part of associating with sororities on campus. I don't think they even care about having socials with the sororities at FGCU. That is the least of their worries. Jennyj87, i gurantee they could care less about associating with your sorority. Most socials and mixers are just a waste of time anyway. A good one may occur every so often, but it is not even an important part of greek life. Having socials with sororities is not all that important.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

All I have to say is that the men of the soon to be Rho Zeta chapter of Kappa Sigma have proven all doubters wrong. They succeeded and are becoming a chapter. I would put money on it that FGCU, their IFC, and PanHellenic wanted them to fail because that way the issue would just go away. The fact they are succeeding and becoming a chapter is probably making FGCU mad because they are getting stronger and are not gonna back down. As for the part of associating with sororities on campus. I don't think they even care about having socials with the sororities at FGCU. That is the least of their worries. Jennyj87, i gurantee they could care less about associating with your sorority. Most socials and mixers are just a waste of time anyway. A good one may occur every so often, but it is not even an important part of greek life. Having socials with sororities is not all that important.

QFP just in case.

[Barbie's_Rush]

Am I reading this correctly? How do you get to be both an undergrad and an adviser at the same time? I know fraternities are different, but this seems really odd.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

Am I reading this correctly? How do you get to be both an undergrad and an adviser at the same time? I know fraternities are different, but this seems really odd.

He may have graduated with one Bachelor's degree already and is pursuing a second one. I advised my chapter after I completed my first degree and while I was working on my second one.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

Am I reading this correctly? How do you get to be both an undergrad and an adviser at the same time? I know fraternities are different, but this seems really odd.

Wait. Did I miss something? Did he say somewhere he's an undergrad?

[Rambler1869]

I think what should be addressed; is the fact that despite all the rumors and speculations - that as of today (April 12, 2010); the men of the Kappa Sigma colony at FGCU have not broken a single rule of either the administration or the IFC. Don’t believe me? Feel free to do the research.
As it states; there is no rule that says a fraternity cannot colonize without approval (of anyone). The confusion is in two areas; 1st involves use of campus facilities and the other is IFC recognition; which I will address first.
The IFC expansion guidelines only say that a group cannot INITIATE MEMBERS before being recognized to comply with the rules. Regardless of what may happen in the future, no member has broken that rule. (IFC bylaws and expansion can be found at http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/GreekLife/ifcchapters.html).
Regardless of how you feel it should have been approached; Kappa Sigma has not broken any rules. They actually tried for more than a year to meet with the IFC (formally or informally), before finally being allowed to give a presentation.
The IFC is an organization that has the right to pick and choose members; no one is disputing that. However, the dispute comes down to FGCU (the administration, not IFC) by its own equal protection guidelines should grant Kappa Sigma the same use of campus facilities it grants other fraternities on campus.
Don’t agree? Even the Assistant General Counsel for FGCU has issued a written statement to Kappa Sigma early March, which says any individual student can reserve meeting rooms. When attempting to reserve a meeting space, that exact letter was presented and individual student was still denied.
In an ideal situation, yes Kappa Sigma would like to be part of the IFC at FGCU; and if you read all the guidelines set, you'll see that they have actually followed every rule. That being said, what (at the least) these men are currently fighting for is simply the right to use meeting rooms on campus.