kappa sigma at fgcu?

FSUZeta · #1 11-30-2009, 10:45 AM

does anyone know if kappa sigma is colonizing at fl. gulf coast university?

LaneSig · #2 11-30-2009, 11:11 AM

From what I understand, Kappa Sigma approached FGCU about colonizing and where told "Not at this time". FGCU is controlling the colonizations of its IFC chapters, much like how it is expanding NPC groups. Kappa Sigma has apparently gone ahead and colonized a chapter without campus approval.

Kappa Sigma did a similar non-campus recognized colony at the University of Arkansas-Fort Smith when they were not selected in the initial Greek Life expansion. Eventually, UAFS decided to recognize the chapter. IMO that is what Kappa Sig is hoping for at FGCU.

FSUZeta · #3 11-30-2009, 01:36 PM

i had heard that they were on campus, but have not seen anything about them-then a friend tells me her son has joined. thank you lanesig. friend is a non-greek so i figured that she had the name wrong.

ryquis · #4 12-05-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

From what I understand, Kappa Sigma approached FGCU about colonizing and where told "Not at this time". FGCU is controlling the colonizations of its IFC chapters, much like how it is expanding NPC groups. Kappa Sigma has apparently gone ahead and colonized a chapter without campus approval.

Kappa Sigma did a similar non-campus recognized colony at the University of Arkansas-Fort Smith when they were not selected in the initial Greek Life expansion. Eventually, UAFS decided to recognize the chapter. IMO that is what Kappa Sig is hoping for at FGCU.

Kappa Sigma did not break any rules. You do not have to be recognized by campus in order to be a fraternity colony or chapter. Their nationals recognizes them. Why should those guys sit back and wait for school approval to be in a fraternity?

33girl · #5 12-05-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ryquis

Kappa Sigma did not break any rules. You do not have to be recognized by campus in order to be a fraternity colony or chapter. Their nationals recognizes them. Why should those guys sit back and wait for school approval to be in a fraternity?

No one said they did. LaneSig was just explaining why it might not have been on the school website, etc.

jennyj87 · #6 12-06-2009, 03:42 AM

As a member of greek life at FGCU, we were told that they have not been approved as a chapter at FGCU. IFC just took on Sigma Chi last year. Whatever they've started is not being recognized by the school.

FSUZeta · #7 12-06-2009, 01:12 PM

thanks jenny.

ryquis · #8 12-06-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jennyj87

As a member of greek life at FGCU, we were told that they have not been approved as a chapter at FGCU. IFC just took on Sigma Chi last year. Whatever they've started is not being recognized by the school.

From what I have heard, Kappa Sigmas are at conflict with FGCU's greek life because FGCU is power tripping. They are mad because students chose to start a fraternity and went straight to nationals instead of going to Greek Life about it first. There seems to be alot of grudges being held toward Kappa Sigma by FGCU's IFC and Greek Advisors. From what I hear. it seems that FGCU is breaking a lot of ethics. They are telling sororities not to associate with them or do socials with them. They have no right to do this at all. You don't have to be on campus to do socials with sororities. I hear that they are treated with hostility by the on campus fraternities because they wear their letters on campus. If this is true, then this need to stop. Compared to the greek life at other universities, FGCU has a lot of improvements to make. I have spoken to IFC presidents at all the other Florida public universities. They have all told me that FGCU's greek life is a joke. Most schools would want to increase the number of fraternities and sororities on campus. This gets more students involved. It seems to me like FGCU wants their Greek Life to be for the select few only. Which is not right in any way. That is probably why a lot of students don't like Greeks at FGCU. I am not even a Kappa Sigma, but I see a lot of corruption in FGCU's Greek Life. I hope Kappa Sigma gets on campus at FGCU. I have heard their story. They deserve it. They raise money and they are doing lots of philanthropy. I am proud that they are standing up to FGCU's greek life and not backing down. Kappa Sigmas, don't back down to FGCU. You keep on fighting for what is right!!!

FSUZeta · #9 12-06-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ryquis

Kappa Sigma did not break any rules. You do not have to be recognized by campus in order to be a fraternity colony or chapter. Their nationals recognizes them. Why should those guys sit back and wait for school approval to be in a fraternity?

so they would be recognized by the adminisration and have full membership privileges with the fgcu ifc? so they could have socials with the campus sororities?

i would imagine that fgcu preferred to make sure that the sigma chi colony was viable and was going to flourish before allowing another fraternity on campus.

i would imagine that the international offices of the sororities are not allowing the sororities to have socials with kappa sigma due to risk management and liability reasons that stem from the fraternity not being recognized by fgcu. the sororities are not going to risk losing their charters in order to have a social with an unrecognized fraternity. i am sure that if kappa sigma's situation changes and the administration recognizes them, that the sororities will be glad to have socials with them.

sometimes in order to get what you want you have to play the game according to someone else's rules. you may not agree with them, but it is what it is. fgcu can "powertrip" because they have the power.

ryquis · #10 12-07-2009, 03:38 PM

Its not their international offices telling them not to associate. Its the school. From my understanding, Kappa Sigma's national offices contacted the national offices of every fraternity and sorority on FGCU's campus and got approval and support from them. This in turn should have trickled down to the fraternities and sororities on FGCU's campus. Yet still nothing has changed. It appears that the fraternities and sororities are doing what FGCU says and not what their Nationals says. Now that is risky. If you don't listen to your nationals, you can definitely risk losing your charter. I sense some shady business occuring. Speaking of Sigma Chi's colony, you can have more than 1 colony on campus. USF currently has 3 active colonies on their campus and everything is just fine. I had interest in trying to get my fraternity(FIJI) started at FGCU. But after seeing how their Greek Life operates, I have no interest at all.

LaneSig · #11 12-07-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ryquis

Its not their international offices telling them not to associate. Its the school. From my understanding, Kappa Sigma's national offices contacted the national offices of every fraternity and sorority on FGCU's campus and got approval and support from them. This in turn should have trickled down to the fraternities and sororities on FGCU's campus. Yet still nothing has changed. It appears that the fraternities and sororities are doing what FGCU says and not what their Nationals says. Now that is risky. If you don't listen to your nationals, you can definitely risk losing your charter. I sense some shady business occuring. Speaking of Sigma Chi's colony, you can have more than 1 colony on campus. USF currently has 3 active colonies on their campus and everything is just fine. I had interest in trying to get my fraternity(FIJI) started at FGCU. But after seeing how their Greek Life operates, I have no interest at all.

#1 - I can't speak for anyone else, but I have SERIOUS doubts that Kappa Sig's national office called Sigma Chi HQ and asked for support of an off-campus colony. It doesn't work that way.

#2- "It appears that the fraternities and sororities are doing what FGCU says and not what their Nationals says. Now that is risky."
I can guarrantee that no one from Sigma Chi HQ called the Sigma Chi colony and told them that the colony has to support Kappa Sigma's colony. Let me repeat myself: It doesn't work that way.

#3- "If you don't listen to your Nationals, you can definately risk losing your charter."
That is true. You can lose your charter for RMF, hazing, not sending in reports on time, etc. You are not going to lose your charter for not associating with a non-recognized fraternity colony. Does it bear repeating? Yes: It doesn't work that way.

Sigma Chi HQ has a lot more things to worry about than whether their FGCU colony chooses to association or not with a non-recognized colony.

ryquis · #12 12-07-2009, 04:03 PM

From my understanding, FGCU is micromanaging its Greek Life. This is why many fraternities do not want to start at FGCU. I don't blame them one bit. I hope that more fraternities that actually do want to start at FGCU will follow what Kappa Sigma did and just go straight to the National Headquarters instead of the school. I would love to see it.

Psi U MC Vito · #13 12-07-2009, 04:05 PM

Um hate to break it to you, but quite a few inter/national organizations require recognition from the school.

jennyj87 · #14 12-07-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ryquis

Its not their international offices telling them not to associate. Its the school. From my understanding, Kappa Sigma's national offices contacted the national offices of every fraternity and sorority on FGCU's campus and got approval and support from them. This in turn should have trickled down to the fraternities and sororities on FGCU's campus. Yet still nothing has changed. It appears that the fraternities and sororities are doing what FGCU says and not what their Nationals says. Now that is risky. If you don't listen to your nationals, you can definitely risk losing your charter. I sense some shady business occuring. Speaking of Sigma Chi's colony, you can have more than 1 colony on campus. USF currently has 3 active colonies on their campus and everything is just fine. I had interest in trying to get my fraternity(FIJI) started at FGCU. But after seeing how their Greek Life operates, I have no interest at all.

Absolutly not. As you are not a member of my organization do not say what is risky or what is not risky when losing our chater.

Absolutly ridiculous. You aren't even a member of Kappa Sigma OR a student at FGCU so I don't see what your issue is. I could understand if you were a member of 1 of the two and kept aruging about this, but please.

Of course you can have more than one colony. But here's a fact that maybe you're missing or keep forgetting. FGCU's greek life, nationally is only 6 years old. Before that it was only two locals, which both became Tri Delta and SigEp. FGCU's campus is still relativly small with many of the chapters still establishing basic membership. IFC just took on a fraternity last year, and panhellenic is expanding this year. I completely agree with the fact that the Greek Office is limiting expanision.

LaneSig · #15 12-07-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ryquis

From my understanding, FGCU is micromanaging its Greek Life. This is why many fraternities do not want to start at FGCU. I don't blame them one bit. I hope that more fraternities that actually do want to start at FGCU will follow what Kappa Sigma did and just go straight to the National Headquarters instead of the school. I would love to see it.

I won't speak for NPC, since they are specific rules and regulations for expansion.

As you stated earlier, it is allowed to have more than one IFC colony on campus at a time.

I don't know FGCU's greek life administrator so the following is speculation. You say "micromanaging", they probably say "Let's not throw open the flood gates and have 10 colonies come on campus at once. Let's have a modicum of control for our Greek Life expansion."

Many IFC programs on campuses are starting to take control of IFC expansion. Kentucky recently held an IFC expansion. Instead of telling the 3 chapters selected to come on all at one time, they were asked to come on at specific semester intervals. This is an attempt to ensure that all the groups are successful instead of 3 groups coming on at the same time. In that situation, at least 1 would probably fail. This new action by IFC is happening on many campuses.

FGCU didn't tell Kappa Sigma that they could never come to colonize; they were asked to wait. Kappa Sigma is the one that decided to do what they wanted to do. As momma said, "You play, you pay." If you knowingly disregard the rules, be grown up enough to accept the consequences.