kappa sigma at fgcu?

[ryquis]

From my understanding, FGCU is micromanaging its Greek Life. This is why many fraternities do not want to start at FGCU. I don't blame them one bit. I hope that more fraternities that actually do want to start at FGCU will follow what Kappa Sigma did and just go straight to the National Headquarters instead of the school. I would love to see it.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by ryquis

From my understanding, FGCU is micromanaging its Greek Life. This is why many fraternities do not want to start at FGCU. I don't blame them one bit. I hope that more fraternities that actually do want to start at FGCU will follow what Kappa Sigma did and just go straight to the National Headquarters instead of the school. I would love to see it.

I won't speak for NPC, since they are specific rules and regulations for expansion.

As you stated earlier, it is allowed to have more than one IFC colony on campus at a time.

I don't know FGCU's greek life administrator so the following is speculation. You say "micromanaging", they probably say "Let's not throw open the flood gates and have 10 colonies come on campus at once. Let's have a modicum of control for our Greek Life expansion."

Many IFC programs on campuses are starting to take control of IFC expansion. Kentucky recently held an IFC expansion. Instead of telling the 3 chapters selected to come on all at one time, they were asked to come on at specific semester intervals. This is an attempt to ensure that all the groups are successful instead of 3 groups coming on at the same time. In that situation, at least 1 would probably fail. This new action by IFC is happening on many campuses.

FGCU didn't tell Kappa Sigma that they could never come to colonize; they were asked to wait. Kappa Sigma is the one that decided to do what they wanted to do. As momma said, "You play, you pay." If you knowingly disregard the rules, be grown up enough to accept the consequences.

[ryquis]

From my understanding, they are close to becoming a chapter. I do understand why the school may have an issue. I was told that the original 2 guys who started Kappa Sigma's Fort Myers colony were rude to the IFC at FGCU. That was a big mistake. Those men are no longer with the fraternity because they were kicked out. This grudge should no longer be held. Despite me not being a Kappa Sig, nor a student at FGCU I know unjust treatment when I see it. This hits close to home because I have family members that are Kappa Sigs. I am just proud to see a fraternity willing to stand up to a school and the IFC and not take no for an answer. I am pleased that these fine young men are dedicated for a cause. I do not know any of them, but their story is truly remarkable. The school might call them rebels, but I call them dedicated young men who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. They should not have to wait to be members a fraternity. That is why they colonized off campus. My brother is a Kappa Sig at North Florida and my cousin is a Kappa Sig at Johnson and Wales in Miami, so they inform me about what is occuring. From what I hear, FGCU had better let them on campus soon. Kappa Sigma nationally has a lot of power. They are not to be messed with. I have read about a lot of controversy happening at FGCU over the years. Trust me. FGCU can't afford any more bad publicity.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by ryquis

From my understanding, they are close to becoming a chapter. I do understand why the school may have an issue. I was told that the original 2 guys who started Kappa Sigma's Fort Myers colony were rude to the IFC at FGCU. That was a big mistake. Those men are no longer with the fraternity because they were kicked out. This grudge should no longer be held. Despite me not being a Kappa Sig, nor a student at FGCU I know unjust treatment when I see it. This hits close to home because I have family members that are Kappa Sigs. I am just proud to see a fraternity willing to stand up to a school and the IFC and not take no for an answer. I am pleased that these fine young men are dedicated for a cause. I do not know any of them, but their story is truly remarkable. The school might call them rebels, but I call them dedicated young men who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. They should not have to wait to be members a fraternity. That is why they colonized off campus. My brother is a Kappa Sig at North Florida and my cousin is a Kappa Sig at Johnson and Wales in Miami, so they inform me about what is occuring. From what I hear, FGCU had better let them on campus soon. Kappa Sigma nationally has a lot of power. They are not to be messed with. I have read about a lot of controversy happening at FGCU over the years. Trust me. FGCU can't afford any more bad publicity.

What exactly can Kappa Sigma do if FSGU refuses to recognize them?

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by ryquis

From what I hear, FGCU had better let them on campus soon. Kappa Sigma nationally has a lot of power. They are not to be messed with. I have read about a lot of controversy happening at FGCU over the years. Trust me. FGCU can't afford any more bad publicity.

Okay sure. I want a frat coming on my campus that threatens us. That sure is helping the cause.
FGCU is one of the fastest growing schools in the country, if not the fastest. I'm sure we'll be fine if IFC doesn't allow Kappa Sigma on campus.

I was orginally going to talk about how SigEp was an underground fraternity for a couple years and then was allowed back on campus, but forget that now.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

This is why I would not like to have them on my campus. A statement like that.
FGCU is one of the fastest growing schools in the country, if not the fastest. I'm sure we'll be fine if IFC doesn't allow Kappa Sigma on campus.

I was orginally going to talk about how SigEp was an underground fraternity for a couple years and then was allowed back on campus, but forget that now.

I'm not sure I would let an anonymous person on the internet, who isn't even a member of Kappa Sigma, have such a strong influence on my opinion of the organization, if I were you. But, to each their own, I suppose.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer

I'm not sure I would let an anonymous person on the internet, who isn't even a member of Kappa Sigma, have such a strong influence on my opinion of the organization, if I were you. But, to each their own, I suppose.

I'm sorry. Its finals week. Lack of sleep+mass amounts of diet coke= a few over reactions throughout my day

[rex in effect]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

This is why I would not like to have them on my campus. A statement like that.
FGCU is one of the fastest growing schools in the country, if not the fastest. I'm sure we'll be fine if IFC doesn't allow Kappa Sigma on campus.

I was orginally going to talk about how SigEp was an underground fraternity for a couple years and then was allowed back on campus, but forget that now.

To clear all the air, do not listen to ryquis. I am a Kappa Sig at UCF. I am very aware of the situation with Kappa Sigma at FGCU. What happened was, students approached FGCU about starting Kappa Sigma. FGCU's IFC was not willing to expand for a legit reason. They had just let Sigma Chi on campus. The students instead decided to go straight to Kappa Sigma's national headquarters and asked to start. Nationals approved. Thus Kappa Sigma was colonized as the Fort Myers,FL colony. The conflict got worse when the original grandmaster of Kappa Sigma decided to be rude to FGCU's IFC. That was a big mistake. You do not bite the hand that feeds. But, this guy is no longer a part of the colony because the members voted him out. He was thus depledged and kicked out of the colony. The Kappa Sigma colony is getting to better terms with FGCU and the IFC. The colony has new leadership and is respectful to the IFC and FGCU. They are doing lots of philanthropy and they are following IFC rules despite not being recognized by campus yet. I see this conflict being resolved soon and them being let on campus. Of the original 25 that started the colony, only 6 remain. They have recruited a much better quality of young men who are taking the colony into a better direction. They are close to becoming a chapter. But, I believe they are willing to wait to be let on campus before chartering. Everything is going to be fine. Its just a matter of time. The reason they are allowed to colonize and charter off campus is because Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta, and Phi Sigma Kappa broke away from the IFC nationally(North-American Interfraternity Conference) back in 2002. Thus they do not have to be on a campus to govern. But, I do see everything getting cleared up soon and Kappa Sigma being let on to FGCU's campus. Everything is going to be all right.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

To clear all the air, do not listen to ryquis. I am a Kappa Sig at UCF. I am very aware of the situation with Kappa Sigma at FGCU. What happened was, students approached FGCU about starting Kappa Sigma. FGCU's IFC was not willing to expand for a legit reason. They had just let Sigma Chi on campus. The students instead decided to go straight to Kappa Sigma's national headquarters and asked to start. Nationals approved. Thus Kappa Sigma was colonized as the Fort Myers,FL colony. The conflict got worse when the original grandmaster of Kappa Sigma decided to be rude to FGCU's IFC. That was a big mistake. You do not bite the hand that feeds. But, this guy is no longer a part of the colony because the members voted him out. He was thus depledged and kicked out of the colony. The Kappa Sigma colony is getting to better terms with FGCU and the IFC. The colony has new leadership and is respectful to the IFC and FGCU. They are doing lots of philanthropy and they are following IFC rules despite not being recognized by campus yet. I see this conflict being resolved soon and them being let on campus. Of the original 25 that started the colony, only 6 remain. They have recruited a much better quality of young men who are taking the colony into a better direction. They are close to becoming a chapter. But, I believe they are willing to wait to be let on campus before chartering. Everything is going to be fine. Its just a matter of time. The reason they are allowed to colonize and charter off campus is because Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta, and Phi Sigma Kappa broke away from the IFC nationally(North-American Interfraternity Conference) back in 2002. Thus they do not have to be on a campus to govern. But, I do see everything getting cleared up soon and Kappa Sigma being let on to FGCU's campus. Everything is going to be all right.

I appriciate you taking the time to explain everything. Thank you very much

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

To clear all the air, do not listen to ryquis. I am a Kappa Sig at UCF. I am very aware of the situation with Kappa Sigma at FGCU. What happened was, students approached FGCU about starting Kappa Sigma. FGCU's IFC was not willing to expand for a legit reason. They had just let Sigma Chi on campus. The students instead decided to go straight to Kappa Sigma's national headquarters and asked to start. Nationals approved. Thus Kappa Sigma was colonized as the Fort Myers,FL colony. The conflict got worse when the original grandmaster of Kappa Sigma decided to be rude to FGCU's IFC. That was a big mistake. You do not bite the hand that feeds. But, this guy is no longer a part of the colony because the members voted him out. He was thus depledged and kicked out of the colony. The Kappa Sigma colony is getting to better terms with FGCU and the IFC. The colony has new leadership and is respectful to the IFC and FGCU. They are doing lots of philanthropy and they are following IFC rules despite not being recognized by campus yet. I see this conflict being resolved soon and them being let on campus. Of the original 25 that started the colony, only 6 remain. They have recruited a much better quality of young men who are taking the colony into a better direction. They are close to becoming a chapter. But, I believe they are willing to wait to be let on campus before chartering. Everything is going to be fine. Its just a matter of time. The reason they are allowed to colonize and charter off campus is because Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta, and Phi Sigma Kappa broke away from the IFC nationally(North-American Interfraternity Conference) back in 2002. Thus they do not have to be on a campus to govern. But, I do see everything getting cleared up soon and Kappa Sigma being let on to FGCU's campus. Everything is going to be all right.

thanks rex. i do hope things work out for kappa sigma at fgcu-sounds like they are headed in the right direction. a friend of the family has pledged your ft. myers chapter and he is a really good guy who comes from a good, politically active(and connected) family-this family(and the son) spends a lot of time doing volunteer work. if your other members are like him, they can't help but succeed.

[rex in effect]

Yea. Realistically, I see them getting on FGCU's campus Fall 2010. They want to get on campus ASAP. But, I think Fall 2010 is fair enough. One of my good friends from high school pledged the colony this semester. Compared to last year, they are getting to better terms with the IFC and the fraternities and sororities on campus. I know that FGCU told sororities not to associate with them, which I can understand to some degree because they don't want to risk losing your charters. But, I do believe socials could be done as long as there was some advisory and rules and conditions. I'm confident things will get better. There is usually some conflict when Kappa Sigma tries to start at certain colleges and universities. A similar situation is occuring with our Pi Theta chapter which has been trying to get on the campus at Coastal Carolina University for 2 years. They colonized and chartered off campus and were still passed over when their IFC opened up for expansion. I don't think a situation like this will happen at FGCU though.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

The conflict got worse when the original grandmaster of Kappa Sigma decided to be rude to FGCU's IFC.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but can we clarify "rude"? I mean, if the IFC told them they couldn't colonize and KS said "oh yes we can" they're not being rude, they're stating a fact. Some people classify telling the truth without sugarcoating as rude.

I mean I kind of have a problem envisioning a national fraternity officer dropping f bombs and/or flipping the bird, no matter how upset he was.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but can we clarify "rude"? I mean, if the IFC told them they couldn't colonize and KS said "oh yes we can" they're not being rude, they're stating a fact. Some people classify telling the truth without sugarcoating as rude.

I mean I kind of have a problem envisioning a national fraternity officer dropping f bombs and/or flipping the bird, no matter how upset he was.

Oh ye of little faith.

[rex in effect]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but can we clarify "rude"? I mean, if the IFC told them they couldn't colonize and KS said "oh yes we can" they're not being rude, they're stating a fact. Some people classify telling the truth without sugarcoating as rude.

I mean I kind of have a problem envisioning a national fraternity officer dropping f bombs and/or flipping the bird, no matter how upset he was.

I'm not sure what was said, but he probably did some things that pissed FGCU's IFC off. He's not with the colony any more, so he is no longer a problem.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

The reason they are allowed to colonize and charter off campus is because Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta, and Phi Sigma Kappa broke away from the IFC nationally (North-American Interfraternity Conference) back in 2002. Thus they do not have to be on a campus to govern. But, I do see everything getting cleared up soon and Kappa Sigma being let on to FGCU's campus. Everything is going to be all right.

For what it is worth, the NIC does not advocate keeping any fraternity from colonizing. It is the campus that makes the decision to control expansion. See NIC by-laws below. Note: this would apply to all national fraternities regardless of their membership in any umbrella organization.

Campus Expectations

Open Expansion

No NIC member organization is prohibited from selecting undergraduates for the purpose of establishing a chapter on the campus of the host institution. The host institution's Interfraternity Council may not deter expansion by withholding membership of NIC group from IFC.

Open Recruitment

Host institution will support open recruitment and will not prohibit any male enrolled as a full time student in good standing from participating in rush recruitment activities and joining an NIC member fraternity. Host institution will not prohibit NIC member fraternity from recruiting/rushing male students on campus.