Obama destroys another neighborhood.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So you admit that the problem is linked to poverty? Like I told you before (madmax) there are poor Whites, Latinos, Blacks, etc. living in ghettos or poor neighborhoods so stop trying to attach race to this argument. I can name some ghettos in Philly where poor Whites live and these areas look no different from where poor Blacks live. Research that.

Race is a correlate of social class and poverty.

Blacks are disproportionately poor.

Black and Hispanic poverty is documented to be substantially different than, and arguably worse than, white poverty in terms of the lack of inter- and intragenerational mobility, among other things.

These sentiments and "truths" are the foundation for many initiatives and programs. "We" can't support the above statements when it suits "us" but disagree with them when someone like madmax says them in a fashion to get a rise out of people.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Race is a correlate of social class and poverty.

Blacks are disproportionately poor.

Black and Hispanic poverty is documented to be substantially different than, and arguably worse than, white poverty in terms of the lack of inter- and intragenerational mobility, among other things.

These sentiments and "truths" are the foundation for many initiatives and programs. "We" can't support the above statements when it suits "us" but disagree with them when someone like madmax says them in a fashion to get a rise out of people.

I understand the points you're making but I'm going by my personal experiences, which is why I edited my post. For someone to just generalize as if crime doesn't exist in other neighborhoods or that ghettos only include Black folks is just false. I can remember being 13-14 whenever staying at my cousin's house in South Philly (lots of Italians in South Philly) and not going into an Italian neighborhood after a certain time due to crime, including racial. I'm not saying this is always the case but it definitely goes down. I just don't respect people that make broad generalizations; I have no problem with madmax's point of view, if only he didn't talk out of his ass and stuck to the facts.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I understand the points you're making but I'm going by my personal experiences, which is why I edited my post. For someone to just generalize as if crime doesn't exist in other neighborhoods or that ghettos only include Black folks is just false. I can remember being 13-14 whenever staying at my cousin's house in South Philly (lots of Italians in South Philly) and not going into an Italian neighborhood after a certain time due to crime, including racial. I'm not saying this is always the case but it definitely goes down. I just don't respect people that make broad generalizations; I have no problem with madmax's point of view, if only he didn't talk out of his ass and stuck to the facts.

You don't need personal experiences to know that the majority of the poor and those on welfare are whites based on population size. It's the disproportionate poverty of Blacks that garners more attention because it is disproportionate and has had a measurable impact that differentiates it from the poverty of others.

It simply is not true that poverty has nothing to do with race (madmax isn't the one "attaching race," he's simply successfully getting to you all). Whether discussing white poverty, Black poverty, or Hispanic poverty, race remains a factor and poverty varies across race.