Obama destroys another neighborhood.

[Animal_House]

I don't know how many of you have actually been to a real, live ghetto, but let me assure you -- the houses most of the time are in far better shape than even wealthy neighborhoods. HUD, which pays for Section 8, forces landlords to keep the places up to insanely good standards. Not only does everything have to completely work (we're talking even the smallest of details), but most of it also has to be new, and replaced with each tenant. This is way above the standards most universities and colleges have for student housing. Most of the time, if a ghetto was completely abandoned, with the people, cars, trash, and graffiti gone, it would be identical to a wealthier neighborhood elsewhere. There is no real difference structurally.

The problem comes with the people -- they make bad choices time and time again throughout life, and they end up stuck in dead end jobs and only able to afford subsidized housing. When several of these people get together to form a community, what do you expect?

And the apartment complex mentioned earlier that was mentioned as "good example of subsidized housing" was Morningside Gardens Apartment Complex. You can probably read about it on Wikipedia -- but so what? The evidence there is merely anecdotal.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Animal_House

Most of the time, if a ghetto was completely abandoned, with the people, cars, trash, and graffiti gone, it would be identical to a wealthier neighborhood elsewhere.

Ya think? LOL. That would be removing the things that typically characterize lower income neighborhoods.

Poor neighborhoods include, but are not limited to, neighborhoods with Section 8. Even with Section 8, the standards are often not upheld, which continues the cycle of delapidated housing and criminogenic environments.

[Animal_House]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ya think? LOL. That would be removing the things that typically characterize lower income neighborhoods.

Poor neighborhoods include, but are not limited to, neighborhoods with Section 8. Even with Section 8, the standards are often not upheld, which continues the cycle of delapidated housing and criminogenic environments.

Right. So why would you want to take these people, who have histories of abuse and misuse of property, and put them into wealthier neighborhoods that people have spent their entire lives building from the ground up? I know that if I was paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for a mortgage, I'd be pretty pissed to know that someone else was getting the same use of a home from Uncle Sam via my tax dollars.

I say let the cycle continue. If we're going to be giving out welfare, then lets keep it down to the basics. A structure to live in would be considered a "basic"... a neighborhood to destroy would not.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Animal_House

Right.

Then your entire point is moot.

[Animal_House]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then your entire point is moot.

I agreed that ghettos look like shit because of the people in them, and so that makes my point that they should not be allowed to make other areas look like shit totally moot? You sound like a real champion debater....

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Animal_House

You sound like a real champion debater....

There was never a debate. You agreed with me.

But, I never agreed with you. It's unfortunate that you thought that I did.