Black = Education-less?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

IIRC, you're in NYC, right? When I lived on the east coast, I only heard "water" and "dinner" pronounced one way (black, white, or otherwise). Interesting.



Exactly! lol

I actually started going out of my way to make sure folks used proper grammar when speaking with me (ex. I'd correct them mid-sentence). When I started doing that, I didn't really hear much about my "white-isms" :shrug:

You have to remember though, she went to NYU IIRC. If so, then most of the people she knew were probably from out of state. I met a group of 8 NYU undergrads recently, and only 2 or 3 of them were locals.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

You have to remember though, she went to NYU IIRC. If so, then most of the people she knew were probably from out of state. I met a group of 8 NYU undergrads recently, and only 2 or 3 of them were locals.

Many of the TX universities have a large out-of-state population, but they wouldn't bat an eye at the use of the word "y'all."

[DrPhil]

"Hey, look at me...I'm a different kind of Black person...I don't speak Ebonics or broken English...people say I talk white....whewwwwwww!!!!" *doing cartwheels*

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Hey, look at me...I'm a different kind of Black person...I don't speak Ebonics or broken English...people say I talk white....whewwwwwww!!!!" *doing cartwheels*

*hides before lynch-mob shows up*

[ladygreek]

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

IIRC, you're in NYC, right? When I lived on the east coast, I only heard "water" and "dinner" pronounced one way (black, white, or otherwise). Interesting.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

You have to remember though, she went to NYU IIRC. If so, then most of the people she knew were probably from out of state. I met a group of 8 NYU undergrads recently, and only 2 or 3 of them were locals.

yes, i did attend NYU, and students are from all over. though a significant population is from the tri-state and LI. my year there are a lot of ppl from TX/CA/FL.

but i defintely teetered between perceptions of "talking ghetto" and "being articulate." who knew you could be one in the same!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

NonBlack students, as well.

I read college students' papers that read like they are on facebook or texting a friend.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

NonBlack students, as well.

I read college students' papers that read like they are on facebook or texting a friend.

Yeah, that's why I didn't say Black folx.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I read college students' papers that read like they are on facebook or texting a friend.

Thankfully I have never seen anything that bad on a college level. I would retire in that moment. I did however work in this college prep program once where I had a student that insisted on writing Da for the :neutral:.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

I totally agree. It is sad that a great many people will read what you have said and not understand why there are quotation marks around the propers.
The issue I've seen most often these days is homonyms in writing. "I love are new couch." "Their going to the mall to get and apple." It is mind boggling how many people have issues with common homonyms. It is also amazing how many there are in the english language. Continuity is also a major issue. I've read many a story or paper that starts out in one tense and then switches to another and ends in yet another. I also see so many people who can't spell. (Inless, emitate, imulate)

I don't know many people who, like me, would rather spell correctly even in text messages for the most part. Ppl. typ lik dis so mch dey 4get dat englsh stl xist. On NPR there was an author who said that new media was the best thing ever and should replace old media (newspaper). Imagine having to read all the news in barely intelligible twitter/txt speak.

[DrPhil]

I.A.S.K. made my head hurt. LOL. She reminded me that homonyms and texting, in general, are among my pet peeves.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I totally agree. It is sad that a great many people will read what you have said and not understand why there are quotation marks around the propers.
The issue I've seen most often these days is homonyms in writing. "I love are new couch." "Their going to the mall to get and apple." It is mind boggling how many people have issues with common homonyms. It is also amazing how many there are in the english language. Continuity is also a major issue. I've read many a story or paper that starts out in one tense and then switches to another and ends in yet another. I also see so many people who can't spell. (Inless, emitate, imulate)

I don't know many people who, like me, would rather spell correctly even in text messages for the most part. Ppl. typ lik dis so mch dey 4get dat englsh stl xist. On NPR there was an author who said that new media was the best thing ever and should replace old media (newspaper). Imagine having to read all the news in barely intelligible twitter/txt speak.

the first one isnt even a homonym. the second one irks my nerve to no end, and the third doesnt make any sense.

and whoever came up with that internet speak is a hot mess. its one thing to shorten words, but to put "ii" and "y" ad "ee" in all sorts of places, then take letters out - its obnoxious, and i feel like that in itself is like learning another language (written anyway, more like a dialect?)

my mother texts me in that speech. its ANNOYING. everything is "i c u l8r" and "im cumming now." really mom? really?

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I totally agree. It is sad that a great many people will read what you have said and not understand why there are quotation marks around the propers.
The issue I've seen most often these days is homonyms in writing. "I love are new couch." "Their going to the mall to get and apple." It is mind boggling how many people have issues with common homonyms. It is also amazing how many there are in the english language. Continuity is also a major issue. I've read many a story or paper that starts out in one tense and then switches to another and ends in yet another. I also see so many people who can't spell. (Inless, emitate, imulate)

My 9th grader does this. He has gotten better because I ride him on his grammar and spelling. Parents need to be vigilant because teachers either can't or won't get to this level of detail. Hopefully, now that he is in high school, the teachers are a little stricter and hold the kids more accountable. I will continue to do my part, though because I will not have my son go off to college unprepared.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

I just edited an article by a sister with a master's degree. It was painful.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

I just edited an article by a sister with a master's degree. It was painful.

This just makes me sad. lol. Please say that her masters has nothing to do with communications; though I don't know if that would make it any better.