Black = Education-less?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by tld221

Seriously - my freshman year, my white friends said i sounded too "black" when pronouncing words like "water" and "dinner" (r-less-ness and all) but my black friends said i sounded too white pronouncing "milk" and "mother."

IIRC, you're in NYC, right? When I lived on the east coast, I only heard "water" and "dinner" pronounced one way (black, white, or otherwise). Interesting.

i didnt even know you can pronounce "milk" any other way!

Exactly! lol

I actually started going out of my way to make sure folks used proper grammar when speaking with me (ex. I'd correct them mid-sentence). When I started doing that, I didn't really hear much about my "white-isms" :shrug:

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

IIRC, you're in NYC, right? When I lived on the east coast, I only heard "water" and "dinner" pronounced one way (black, white, or otherwise). Interesting.



Exactly! lol

I actually started going out of my way to make sure folks used proper grammar when speaking with me (ex. I'd correct them mid-sentence). When I started doing that, I didn't really hear much about my "white-isms" :shrug:

You have to remember though, she went to NYU IIRC. If so, then most of the people she knew were probably from out of state. I met a group of 8 NYU undergrads recently, and only 2 or 3 of them were locals.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

You have to remember though, she went to NYU IIRC. If so, then most of the people she knew were probably from out of state. I met a group of 8 NYU undergrads recently, and only 2 or 3 of them were locals.

Many of the TX universities have a large out-of-state population, but they wouldn't bat an eye at the use of the word "y'all."

[DrPhil]

"Hey, look at me...I'm a different kind of Black person...I don't speak Ebonics or broken English...people say I talk white....whewwwwwww!!!!" *doing cartwheels*

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Hey, look at me...I'm a different kind of Black person...I don't speak Ebonics or broken English...people say I talk white....whewwwwwww!!!!" *doing cartwheels*

*hides before lynch-mob shows up*

[ladygreek]

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

IIRC, you're in NYC, right? When I lived on the east coast, I only heard "water" and "dinner" pronounced one way (black, white, or otherwise). Interesting.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

You have to remember though, she went to NYU IIRC. If so, then most of the people she knew were probably from out of state. I met a group of 8 NYU undergrads recently, and only 2 or 3 of them were locals.

yes, i did attend NYU, and students are from all over. though a significant population is from the tri-state and LI. my year there are a lot of ppl from TX/CA/FL.

but i defintely teetered between perceptions of "talking ghetto" and "being articulate." who knew you could be one in the same!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

NonBlack students, as well.

I read college students' papers that read like they are on facebook or texting a friend.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

I totally agree. It is sad that a great many people will read what you have said and not understand why there are quotation marks around the propers.
The issue I've seen most often these days is homonyms in writing. "I love are new couch." "Their going to the mall to get and apple." It is mind boggling how many people have issues with common homonyms. It is also amazing how many there are in the english language. Continuity is also a major issue. I've read many a story or paper that starts out in one tense and then switches to another and ends in yet another. I also see so many people who can't spell. (Inless, emitate, imulate)

I don't know many people who, like me, would rather spell correctly even in text messages for the most part. Ppl. typ lik dis so mch dey 4get dat englsh stl xist. On NPR there was an author who said that new media was the best thing ever and should replace old media (newspaper). Imagine having to read all the news in barely intelligible twitter/txt speak.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

My concern is not only talking "proper", but writing "proper" when it counts (not on social networks.) I can't believe how many college-educated folx say I seen, Me and her went to the store, end sentences with propositions, etc.

I just edited an article by a sister with a master's degree. It was painful.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Wat? Yu dnt lik it wn i tlk lik dis? it dnt trn u own? LOL.



Well, WE know it is not a homonym but people from the south who pronounce our and are the same way think that they are homonyms (and interchangeable). I can't quite explain it.

I al50 per50nally h8 wen ppl us3 numb3r5 1n5tead 0f letters. 1t 1$ $tup1d!

If I got a text like that from my mom I might stop texting. Forever.

LMAO @ own for on!

and yes, i remember a GC conversation about are/our.