Chapter Quota vs. Chapter Total

[gatordeltapgh]

Quota is no longer determined by taking the PNMs registered or attending preference and dividing by the number of chapters on that campus.

I know this reply seems nit-picky but many campuses I work with try to use the old equation to figure out quota. Rumors get started and there is confusion about who got quota, who didn't etc all based on old info.

The old average equation will give you a rough estimate but quota is set by first determining the weighted average of PNMs who sign their preference card & membership acceptance binding agreement (every campus should use this!) over the past three years. The most recent year is given the highest weight. This equation gives you an estimated quota number. Then you take into account + or - a withdraw rate to determine the lower and upper end of a quota range. Once every PNM has signed their MRABA and all chapters have turned in their bid list the fraternity/sorority advisor matches the bids by hand or a computer program to determine the exact quota number where the most PNMs are placed and the most chapters make quota. If your campuses uses RFM then the RFM Specialties works with the fraternity/sorority advisor to determine the best outcome.

When I joined we used the old equation so we knew what quota might by knowing how many PNMs were attending recruitment. Now quota is selected at the end of the process once the best result has been determined.

[33girl]

This doesn't sound like a good change. What if the number of PNMs had a sudden rise or fall with the current year as opposed to the previous years? I mean if rush usually has 300 girls going through and one year it goes down to 200, isn't setting quota based on the previous years going to screw some sororities? It seems like a way for the most popular chapters to get even bigger and vice versa.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This doesn't sound like a good change. What if the number of PNMs had a sudden rise or fall with the current year as opposed to the previous years? I mean if rush usually has 300 girls going through and one year it goes down to 200, isn't setting quota based on the previous years going to screw some sororities? It seems like a way for the most popular chapters to get even bigger and vice versa.

I think it is a good change because quota is based on the amount of women actually signing their MRABA and completing the process. The old system did not take into account women dropping out at the last minute. Now you can take a look at how many women match and how many chapters make quota at each number in the quota range and pick the number that has the best outcome. Once quota has been determined quota additions can be used to place additional women who completed the process in good faith with chapters that did the same.

I think that RFM campuses are the most successful because they have a partner working with them every step of the way who can react to sudden changed in retention.

Of course the old method is much easier!

[33girl]

You mean the old system went by number of women invited to pref, and if they dropped out before pref or before signing a bid card they were still "included" in quota calculations?

I can see where getting them out of the mix would be beneficial, but if groups aren't using the RFM like they should be and there is a drastic drop from previous years, it could really be a cluster.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by gatordeltapgh

I think it is a good change because quota is based on the amount of women actually signing their MRABA and completing the process. The old system did not take into account women dropping out at the last minute. Now you can take a look at how many women match and how many chapters make quota at each number in the quota range and pick the number that has the best outcome. Once quota has been determined quota additions can be used to place additional women who completed the process in good faith with chapters that did the same.

I think that RFM campuses are the most successful because they have a partner working with them every step of the way who can react to sudden changed in retention.

Of course the old method is much easier!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it also take into account the Chapters last 3 years and what they did statistically? We have been using RFM on our campus for several years and the biggest thing I have seen is the Chapters being more alike in size then they used to be. I'm also finding much more well balanced new member classes (although that may not be a function of RFM) The other positive I find from RFM is it seems like a lot more women are place both through the recruitment process and quota additions.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it also take into account the Chapters last 3 years and what they did statistically? We have been using RFM on our campus for several years and the biggest thing I have seen is the Chapters being more alike in size then they used to be. I'm also finding much more well balanced new member classes (although that may not be a function of RFM) The other positive I find from RFM is it seems like a lot more women are place both through the recruitment process and quota additions.

That is exactly why RFM was created and how it should influence a campus over time. Of course the chapters must still work hard to recruit women and PNMs should maximize their options.

I know that there takes some adjustment in thinking but when properly utilized over time RFM will increase the amount of chapters that reach quota and the number of PNMs who receive bids. I am glad to hear your school has been so successful with RFM!

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by gatordeltapgh

That is exactly why RFM was created and how it should influence a campus over time. Of course the chapters must still work hard to recruit women and PNMs should maximize their options.

I know that there takes some adjustment in thinking but when properly utilized over time RFM will increase the amount of chapters that reach quota and the number of PNMs who receive bids. I am glad to hear your school has been so successful with RFM!

Yes, but every time they come in with the recommended releases we always have a heart attack and wonder how it will play out. We haven't been disappointed yet, but it makes us question the numbers

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Yes, but every time they come in with the recommended releases we always have a heart attack and wonder how it will play out. We haven't been disappointed yet, but it makes us question the numbers

I felt the exact same way at first. I fought it and fought it because I was scared to death of having to release too many PNMs. But then we implemented it, and now after four years of it, the campus I'm referring to is stronger than ever, and ALL the chapters are flourishing instead of just a couple. My chapter still worries about the carry figures sometimes, and I have to explain the background of how numbers are determined, but it always works perfectly and they are always very happy with their new members.

I hope your campus is utilizing Priority ranking and Flex Lists?? (Forgive me if you stated this earlier - I didn't re-read the whole thread.) Flex Lists are a great "safety net" just in case you have an off year and need a few extra PNMs in your parties.

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This doesn't sound like a good change. What if the number of PNMs had a sudden rise or fall with the current year as opposed to the previous years? I mean if rush usually has 300 girls going through and one year it goes down to 200, isn't setting quota based on the previous years going to screw some sororities? It seems like a way for the most popular chapters to get even bigger and vice versa.

Quota is not set using the last three year's hard numbers. It is set using an average of the percentages from the last three years. The percentages are then used to set target release numbers, size of flex list, and quota range. Thus, an abnormally large or small recruitment can still be managed.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by lyrelyre

Quota is not set using the last three year's hard numbers. It is set using an average of the percentages from the last three years. The percentages are then used to set target release numbers, size of flex list, and quota range. Thus, an abnormally large or small recruitment can still be managed.

Oh OK, that makes more sense. I think. So in other words, if 50% of 300 rushees at a 10 sorority school signed bid cards in 2008, and quota was 15, then even if there are only 200 rushees the next year, you're also going to assume only 100 of them will sign cards and quota will be 10. (Sorry if all the numbers are confusing) IMO that is assuming a lot.

I don't know, I just think quota should be what is happening THAT YEAR, period. Plus if you're using release figures, it should be weeding out the people who wanted ABC and only ABC. In other words, IMO again, using release figures correctly should kind of be eliminating the need for quotas at all. The girls should be over their unrealistic expectations and know pretty much where they are ending up by pref. And the sororities should have gotten rid of the girls they have no intention of bidding.

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh OK, that makes more sense. I think. So in other words, if 50% of 300 rushees at a 10 sorority school signed bid cards in 2008, and quota was 15, then even if there are only 200 rushees the next year, you're also going to assume only 100 of them will sign cards and quota will be 10. (Sorry if all the numbers are confusing) IMO that is assuming a lot.

I don't know, I just think quota should be what is happening THAT YEAR, period. Plus if you're using release figures, it should be weeding out the people who wanted ABC and only ABC. In other words, IMO again, using release figures correctly should kind of be eliminating the need for quotas at all. The girls should be over their unrealistic expectations and know pretty much where they are ending up by pref. And the sororities should have gotten rid of the girls they have no intention of bidding.

That is close to what happens, but not exactly. I misspoke, what is set by those percentages is “quota range.” Quota range is set after the PNMs preferences have been entered into the computer. PNMs that withdraw, whether before or after preference parties, are not considered. The computer is also able to account for the choices of the PNMs. The computer “knows” that of the PNMs that attended ABC 50% ranked it first, 30% ranked it second, and 18% ranked it third; 90% of those at DEF ranked it first, 10% ranked it second and none ranked it third; and 75% of those at GHI ranked it first, 20% ranked it second and 4% ranked it third; etc… This is why the RFM allows for different chapters to invite back different numbers of PNMs. A chapter that traditionally has 90% of PNMs listing it first on their preference cards will not need as many attending its preference round to make quota. There is, however, some “padding” built into the figures. In theory, if XYZ has 100% returns every round and 100% of PNMs list XYZ first on their preference card, that chapter would have to cut down to projected quota the first invitational round. In actuality, this is not what happens. The system takes into account the possibility that a chapter will have a less or more successful recruitment and allows for that with flex lists.

So, in your example, the quota range would be set using the last three years’ average percentages. For ease, let’s say that is 50% (50% in 2008, 53% in 2007, and 47% in 2006, but again that is assuming the same number of PNMs each year). Now, if a PNM declines to attend preference round or declines to sign a preference card, she will not be considered in the quota range (for ease let’s say 20 PNMs withdraw prior to signing their preference card). The chapters on this campus would likely be told that quota range is 9-18. They would have 9 PNMs on their first bid list in alphabetical order and the remainder in preferential order on a second list. Thus, if this campus’s placement rate increased, even dramatically, RFM would make it possible to place every PNM who maximized her options.

With RFM, quota range is what is happening that year. It simply uses the prior three years as statistically instructive to structure invitations, flex lists, and quota range.

I’m sorry if this isn’t very clear. It can be a confusing thing to explain, but I’m always happy to try.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by gatordeltapgh

Quota is no longer determined by taking the PNMs registered or attending preference and dividing by the number of chapters on that campus.

I know this reply seems nit-picky but many campuses I work with try to use the old equation to figure out quota. Rumors get started and there is confusion about who got quota, who didn't etc all based on old info.

The old average equation will give you a rough estimate but quota is set by first determining the weighted average of PNMs who sign their preference card & membership acceptance binding agreement (every campus should use this!) over the past three years. The most recent year is given the highest weight. This equation gives you an estimated quota number. Then you take into account + or - a withdraw rate to determine the lower and upper end of a quota range. Once every PNM has signed their MRABA and all chapters have turned in their bid list the fraternity/sorority advisor matches the bids by hand or a computer program to determine the exact quota number where the most PNMs are placed and the most chapters make quota. If your campuses uses RFM then the RFM Specialties works with the fraternity/sorority advisor to determine the best outcome.

When I joined we used the old equation so we knew what quota might by knowing how many PNMs were attending recruitment. Now quota is selected at the end of the process once the best result has been determined.

As I understand it, most/all NPCs put their first bid list in alphabetical order. If the chapter turns in their bid lists *prior* to the final quota being determined, is the number of PNMs on the first bid list based on the *lowest* possible quota?

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by TSteven

As I understand it, most/all NPCs put their first bid list in alphabetical order. If the chapter turns in their bid lists *prior* to the final quota being determined, is the number of PNMs on the first bid list based on the *lowest* possible quota?

Yes