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Old 09-22-2009, 11:38 AM
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Could you tell me what the positive gain would be for keeping this person alive and in prison for the rest of his life? Do you see any problem with the Bible saying both "Thou Shalt Not Kill" but also saying "An eye for an eye"?

I'm asking these questions with no hint of sarcasm or insult- I am truly interested in your answer. I've never really asked someone before.
Unfortunately, the most appropriate response to that is that by the time the bible got from Hebrew, to Greek to Latin to English in the KJV, the multiple translations led to a poor translation of the original Hebrew. However, the issue is less in the 16th century with the english translation and more with the Latin Vulgate.

The hebrew "harog" means to kill, the hebrew "retzach" means to murder. The Hebrew in the Ten Commandments is "Lo tirtzach" "You (Plural) will not murder".
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Com...ling_or_murder and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefixes_in_Hebrew (if you really want to understand how the Tav prefix indicates tense and number))
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:52 AM
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Unfortunately, the most appropriate response to that is that by the time the bible got from Hebrew, to Greek to Latin to English in the KJV, the multiple translations led to a poor translation of the original Hebrew. However, the issue is less in the 16th century with the english translation and more with the Latin Vulgate.

The hebrew "harog" means to kill, the hebrew "retzach" means to murder. The Hebrew in the Ten Commandments is "Lo tirtzach" "You (Plural) will not murder".
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Com...ling_or_murder and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefixes_in_Hebrew (if you really want to understand how the Tav prefix indicates tense and number))
I had no idea. That is really interesting... (Again, an HONEST comment with no snark attached at all... it's hard to get emotions through posts )
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:29 PM
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I had no idea. That is really interesting... (Again, an HONEST comment with no snark attached at all... it's hard to get emotions through posts )
No problem. The other thing that gets absolutely wonderful with the ten commandments is that the commandments aren't actually numbered in any place that they are found in the bible. And so different groups numbered them different ways.

So if you have a list that has "Honor your mother and father" as the 4th commandment, that indicates that the Catholics/Lutherans are doing it right and everyone else is doing it wrong. If "Honor your mother and father" is the 5th commandment, then that indicates that the Catholics/Lutherans are doing it wrong and everyone else is doing it right.

Also, even within the non-Catholic/Lutherans, the division of the first two commandments is done differently with the Jews doing it one way, the Eastern Orthodox doing it another and most protestant groups doing it a third. See (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Com...d_in_Exodus_20)
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