Is she pregnant?

court4short · #1 08-13-2009, 03:56 PM

Xanthus.. good luck. For your sake I hope you have learned. If you are indeed 30 like someone mentioned earlier, I feel a little better about the situation. I thought you were much younger (I don't know why). I also hope that you don't have any STDs.

I'm not going to judge you for your mistake. I can sort of understand. Though I don't think you made a smart choice, I'm not going to criticize you because that's not going to change the fact. This kind of thing happens a lot, and it's unfortunate, but now you've learned something. It's just a shame that it took a pregnancy to prove a point. (Hence, this is what's called an *accident* - no one plans to accidentally get someone pregnant, EVER. But you did, and you have to deal.)

Good luck. Be supportive of whatever SHE wants to do, it's her body. Make sure the kid is yours. If it's not, be outtttttttta there. If it is, be the most supporitve father you can be.

AOII_LB93 · #2 08-14-2009, 12:42 PM

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Hence, this is what's called an *accident* - no one plans to accidentally get someone pregnant, EVER. But you did, and you have to deal.

Hate to say it, but this is where you're wrong. His penis didn't accidentally end up inside her. They had sex, if we're getting down to the biology of that, it is about procreation. There is not such thing as an "accidental" pregnancy, I don't care if one is on the pill and using every sort of protection out there.

Xanthus,
Kevin gave you some good advice, especially about being the best father you can be. Regardless of what happens, remember that the child didn't choose to be created, and thus you have to do your best to make it right for him/her.

court4short · #3 08-14-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

Hate to say it, but this is where you're wrong. His penis didn't accidentally end up inside her. They had sex, if we're getting down to the biology of that, it is about procreation. There is not such thing as an "accidental" pregnancy, I don't care if one is on the pill and using every sort of protection out there.

I do agree with you on this, I guess I didn't word it the right way to get across my point. I was more trying to say that you don't always have sex with the intent of getting someone pregnant, and, IMO, if you ARE using the Pill, condoms (unlike the OP), spermicidal lube, etc. all at the same time and you STILL get pregnant - well, then THAT'S an accident because you took every precaution you could. Technically, you could practice abstinence, but let's be realistic - not everyone does. I don't think it's fair to blame someone for a pregnancy if they use every single precaution and still get pregnant.

However, this is irrelevant so let's just leave it. I know you probably disagree with me, but that's fine.

The point is, the OP didn't use a condom. Hopefully he has learned, and others reading this, as well.

AGDee · #4 08-15-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

Hate to say it, but this is where you're wrong. His penis didn't accidentally end up inside her. They had sex, if we're getting down to the biology of that, it is about procreation. There is not such thing as an "accidental" pregnancy, I don't care if one is on the pill and using every sort of protection out there.

Xanthus,
Kevin gave you some good advice, especially about being the best father you can be. Regardless of what happens, remember that the child didn't choose to be created, and thus you have to do your best to make it right for him/her.

I really disagree with your philosophy that there is no such thing as an accidental pregnancy. When a birth control method fails, it is an accident. It's kind of like saying that there is no such thing as a car accident because every time you get into a car, you could run into something or something could run into you. That doesn't mean that you intend for it to happen. If you don't intend for it to happen, it is an accident. I suppose for some, the only purpose of sex is procreation, but for most, it's also an intimate way to express the deepest form of romantic love possible. To me, any unplanned pregnancy is an accident, including my own two children who were both surprises to me. When you take reasonable precautions against becoming pregnant and you get pregnant anyway (and I know people whose vasectomies have failed even), I would call that an accident. I don't expect that we'll agree on this ever, but I wanted to present another viewpoint anyway.

MysticCat · #5 08-15-2009, 09:44 PM

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I suppose for some, the only purpose of sex is procreation, but for most, it's also an intimate way to express the deepest form of romantic love possible.

It's not so much whether procreation is the only purpose; it's undeniably a purpose and an obvious and reasonably expected consequence unless precautions are taken to negate that purpose. That's why your car analogy doesn't work -- it's hardly a purpose of car to hit other things or be hit by other things.

As for whether a pregnancy is an accident when reasonable contraceptive measures have been taken, that's a semantic thing that doesn't really get me worked up.

AOII_LB93 · #6 08-17-2009, 06:31 PM

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I really disagree with your philosophy that there is no such thing as an accidental pregnancy. When a birth control method fails, it is an accident. It's kind of like saying that there is no such thing as a car accident because every time you get into a car, you could run into something or something could run into you. That doesn't mean that you intend for it to happen. If you don't intend for it to happen, it is an accident. I suppose for some, the only purpose of sex is procreation, but for most, it's also an intimate way to express the deepest form of romantic love possible. To me, any unplanned pregnancy is an accident, including my own two children who were both surprises to me. When you take reasonable precautions against becoming pregnant and you get pregnant anyway (and I know people whose vasectomies have failed even), I would call that an accident. I don't expect that we'll agree on this ever, but I wanted to present another viewpoint anyway.

And that is the glory of having an opinion, everyone is entitled to their own. No one is denying the intimacy involved in sex and expressing romantic love that way. I was stating the biological fact and my opinion. Do people have sex for purposes other than procreation? Obviously. Does that make a pregnancy any more or less of a surprise? Not really. That is why I can call it a surprise and not an accident.

All the precautions in the world can fail, and the couple can end up with a surprise, but it was most certainly not an accident. In looking at the actual definition of accident (here's one : any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.) you can't say that the sex wasn't deliberate. Now was it an unforseen incident? (another definition) No. It's comes back down to the biology of it. They had sex. Sex can make babies.

It's truly great that we can have own opinions, and that you see flaws in my philosophy, however while I have heard your viewpoint from numerous people I'll stick with the biology of it all.