Dr. Henry Louis Gates Arrested

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I'm certainly not surprised at the reactions on here. I figured most of you would try to make Gates out to be the bad guy or a liar.

You would be surprised if you knew the diverse backgrounds, experiences, and fields of expertise of the people with whom you disagree.

ETA: Meaning, stop pretending as though you know enough about the people you are discussing this with to predict their opinions and responses.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

However, based on what I have read from a copy of the report that I saw online, the cop has told a few lies. The cop originally said he was alone, yet now we know there were more cops on the scene.

Did the officer say that he was alone the entire time with Gates? I don't think that he did. Surely he knows that there were photos taken of Gates' arrest. The officer may have arrived first on the scene and he and Gates exchanged pleasantries before the other officers arrived. Again, we're all assuming so acknowledge it as assumptions.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You would be surprised if you knew the diverse backgrounds, experiences, and fields of expertise of the people with whom you disagree.

ETA: Meaning, stop pretending as though you know enough about the people you are discussing this with to predict their opinions and responses.



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It isn't difficult to get an idea about people from their responses. So far I have yet to be surprised. People are pretty much giving the responses I expected them to give. I understand that there are diverse backgrounds here, but some common denominators typically result in the same opinions and responses. this is one reason why I can understand where Sotomayor was coming from with the statement that she got flamed for. Many individuals on this board do not experience the kind of racism that certain minorities in this country experience. With that being the case, they are typically far less open to the notion that racism is as prevalent as it is, or they can only recognize blatant forms of racism. Despite the fact that you claim that many of the people I disagree with have expertise and diverse backgrounds, the fact remains that their responses and opinions are pretty much the generic responses of whites who either don't care that racism exists, want to sweep it under the rug instead of being faced with it, or as mentioned previously, actually require blatant forms of racism. Some of these very people that you speak of are so obstinate in their negative opinions of Dr. Gates that it leaves to question whether they are racist themselves. For the record, while I don't think all cops are bad, this situation to me reeks of racism and abuse of police power.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Despite the fact that you claim that many of the people I disagree with have expertise and diverse backgrounds, the fact remains that their responses and opinions are pretty much the generic responses of whites who either don't care that racism exists, want to sweep it under the rug instead of being faced with it, or as mentioned previously, actually require blatant forms of racism.

Except several of the people that disagree aren't "whites who don't care" about the situation. There are several minorities who have responded (to this thread and others) that just don't see the point in crying "racism" for every event that happens in the world.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It isn't difficult to get an idea about people from their responses. So far I have yet to be surprised. People are pretty much giving the responses I expected them to give. I understand that there are diverse backgrounds here, but some common denominators typically result in the same opinions and responses. this is one reason why I can understand where Sotomayor was coming from with the statement that she got flamed for. Many individuals on this board do not experience the kind of racism that certain minorities in this country experience. With that being the case, they are typically far less open to the notion that racism is as prevalent as it is, or they can only recognize blatant forms of racism. Despite the fact that you claim that many of the people I disagree with have expertise and diverse backgrounds, the fact remains that their responses and opinions are pretty much the generic responses of whites who either don't care that racism exists, want to sweep it under the rug instead of being faced with it, or as mentioned previously, actually require blatant forms of racism. Some of these very people that you speak of are so obstinate in their negative opinions of Dr. Gates that it leaves to question whether they are racist themselves. For the record, while I don't think all cops are bad, this situation to me reeks of racism and abuse of police power.

I personally think both sides were in the wrong. However I would like ot say this. Yes racism exist and can still be found in the world. But I hate people who see any kind of situation between a white man and a person of color and automatically yell out "Racism." regardless of any facts. To me that is just racism of another kind, the whole "White people are evil" point of view. I am sick and tired of it, though nobody ever mentions racism against white people.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It isn't difficult to get an idea about people from their responses. So far I have yet to be surprised. People are pretty much giving the responses I expected them to give. I understand that there are diverse backgrounds here, but some common denominators typically result in the same opinions and responses. this is one reason why I can understand where Sotomayor was coming from with the statement that she got flamed for. Many individuals on this board do not experience the kind of racism that certain minorities in this country experience. With that being the case, they are typically far less open to the notion that racism is as prevalent as it is, or they can only recognize blatant forms of racism. Despite the fact that you claim that many of the people I disagree with have expertise and diverse backgrounds, the fact remains that their responses and opinions are pretty much the generic responses of whites who either don't care that racism exists, want to sweep it under the rug instead of being faced with it, or as mentioned previously, actually require blatant forms of racism. Some of these very people that you speak of are so obstinate in their negative opinions of Dr. Gates that it leaves to question whether they are racist themselves. For the record, while I don't think all cops are bad, this situation to me reeks of racism and abuse of police power.

If you already knew what everyone's responses were going to be, and you clearly have us all figured out, why did you even bother starting this thread in the first place?

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I am sick and tired of it, though nobody ever mentions racism against white people.

Just a random question, but... did Obama make a public statement about the New Haven firefighters at the end of a news conference concerning healthcare? Just wondering

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Some of these very people that you speak of are so obstinate in their negative opinions of Dr. Gates that it leaves to question whether they are racist themselves.

Again, when all else fails, you decide to label as "racist" those who disagree with your point of view.

This is starting to become a running theme.

ETA: It's a shame too, because you say some things in your posts that are intelligent, well-thought, and correct. Racism is still an issue in this country, and sometimes it's things that not everyone can see. It's not always one blatant incident - it could be a pattern of behavior, or more subtle actions.

The problem is, in your posts you're very quick to characterize people based on their disagreements with you. You don't know the posters on this board. Yet, you're making a judgment about what kind of person they are because of their disagreements with you. It makes it very difficult to debate you, because you seem to be willing to drop labels on people at a certain point in the debate.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Again, when all else fails, you decide to label as "racist" those who disagree with your point of view.

This is starting to become a running theme.

ETA: It's a shame too, because you say some things in your posts that are intelligent, well-thought, and correct. Racism is still an issue in this country, and sometimes it's things that not everyone can see. It's not always one blatant incident - it could be a pattern of behavior, or more subtle actions.

The problem is, in your posts you're very quick to characterize people based on their disagreements with you. You don't know the posters on this board. Yet, you're making a judgment about what kind of person they are because of their disagreements with you. It makes it very difficult to debate you, because you seem to be willing to drop labels on people at a certain point in the debate.

For the record, I don't just label someone as "racist" when they disagree with my point of view. I can understand dissent. There are some people on here who disagree with me, but I don't see their comments as racist. Even those who don't think the incident was racist, but still think the cop was in the wrong are not people that i think are racist. My problem is with the comments that show a distinct refusal to consider that it just might actually bE racism. And I have issues with some because in more than one thread concerning incidents that appear to be racist, these individuals immediately discount the black person's claims. I have included a link that I find interesting. It discusses how people may be more racist than they think.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/07...udy/index.html

Oh and one more thing, you accuse me of being quick to drop labels on people you claim I don't know, but haven't you and some others done the same to me? Quite frankly, you can tell where someone's head is by what they write on a message board. All I'm saying is that some of the responses do indicate a certain level of prejudice or bias or racism.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My problem is with the comments that show a distinct refusal to consider that it just might actually bE racism.

The same as your refusal to consider that it just might actually NOT BE racism.

ETA: agzg, I'm also tired of it. What gets me is when posters like deepimpact preface almost every post with "you all will disagree with me" and "I knew you all would say this."

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The same as your refusal to consider that it just might actually NOT BE racism.

ETA: agzg, I'm also tired of it. What gets me is when posters like deepimpact preface almost every post with "you all will disagree with me" and "I knew you all would say this."

Yup...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"you all will disagree with me" and "I knew you all would say this."

I was flattered that she thought about me at all. If anything, she is less able to see when there is no racism because so far, she wants to see racism in every imaginable situation.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I was flattered that she thought about me at all. If anything, she is less able to see when there is no racism because so far, she wants to see racism in every imaginable situation.

Kevin


You are by far the biggest racist I have ever met on online on GC.






















...hehe...I couldn't say that with a straight face.....heheheheh...I think i have a problem with lying!

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My problem is with the comments that show a distinct refusal to consider that it just might actually bE racism. And I have issues with some because in more than one thread concerning incidents that appear to be racist, these individuals immediately discount the black person's claims. Quite frankly, you can tell where someone's head is by what they write on a message board. All I'm saying is that some of the responses do indicate a certain level of prejudice or bias or racism.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The same as your refusal to consider that it just might actually NOT BE racism.

Exactly what I was going to say.

Every thread deepimpact gets involved in seems to have numerous posts in a very short period of time (usually analyzing how she responds to people), and other posters always beat me to the punch. I mean, two full pages before lunchtime... that's impressive.

But anyway, in reference to what I have made bold in the original quote... You talk about "typical" responses from people regarding situations that appear to be racist, in which posters immediately discount the black person's claims. I'm sorry, but I don't call out "racism!" like you have in your previous posts when it comes to a situation like this Gates case, which has crossed so far into the gray area of speculation, hearsay and half-truths, that no one truly knows what happened. It's kind of like that whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

And do you find yourself constantly on the side of the black people (in addition to constantly calling people on this board racist?) I think that would make you a judgmental racist, also! Welcome to the club.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

And do you find yourself constantly on the side of the black people (in addition to constantly calling people on this board racist?) I think that would make you a judgmental racist, also!

You lost me here. She can be judgmental and prejudiced but her instantly siding with Blacks on such issues would not make her racist.

/see all of the previous "what is racism" threads

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by madmax374

On whose part? Did you consider that maybe Gates is the racist?

Gates is a professor of African Studies aka Hate Whitey 101.

Ya know, madmax's presence doesn't bother me and I appreciate different styles of communication and humor.

But most of his/her posts show that he doesn't know anything. It would be different if he had knowledge at the foundation of his off-color remarks. Then I could respect him/her as a username.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ya know, madmax's presence doesn't bother me and I appreciate different styles of communication and humor.

But most of his/her posts show that he doesn't know anything. It would be different if he had knowledge at the foundation of his off-color remarks. Then I could respect him/her as a username.

I'm glad you were able to QFP this before he (or a mod) deleted it. I was in the process of quoting what he said and I wasn't able to.

Hate Whitey 101? Seriously? And we all know for sure that teachers of Women's Studies courses secretly call their class Manhaters 101.