The Real Housewives of NJ

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I have never been involved in any thread or discussion with you where this has been a problem, if I had done this I wouldn't ask, but I did, and you don't want to provide them. I could do a google search, but you're the one making statements and I want to see what you've come up with, if I wanted to support myself I can do that as I previously stated I've done coursework on the history of organized crime in America. You have the opportunity to provide me with information I don't have, if you don't want to do that be Bobby Brown as it is your prerogative. I also haven't watched The View. I am asking YOU because YOU made statements.

Yes, I did make statements. However, one thing I have always done is to find sources of information for myself. I'm not sure why you refuse to do that. The information is available...and it isn't just some gossipy rag type of stuff either.

And the fact that you have done coursework on organized crime in American means what exactly? I don't really know where you are going with that. Even the most extensive research on organized crime in America won't turn up every single name of every mobster or everyone who was associated with them. I have a friend whose dad was definitely involved in mob activity, but I doubt you would find information about him in doing your research. Typically organized crime in America just focuses on the bigger names and most well-known families.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Yes, I did make statements. However, one thing I have always done is to find sources of information for myself. I'm not sure why you refuse to do that. The information is available...and it isn't just some gossipy rag type of stuff either.

And the fact that you have done coursework on organized crime in American means what exactly? I don't really know where you are going with that. Even the most extensive research on organized crime in America won't turn up every single name of every mobster or everyone who was associated with them. I have a friend whose dad was definitely involved in mob activity, but I doubt you would find information about him in doing your research. Typically organized crime in America just focuses on the bigger names and most well-known families.

Thanks for the entertainment. I could have found them myself but you claim I'd only support my ideas with my research. If you went back many posts I mentioned my coursework as I was going to use it to back up what I said. The annotated bibliography and sources from my papers and course actually show that the stereotypes and much of anything related to Italian organized crime wasn't true, and isn't true. I would still like to know how these people are connected (according to YOU).

You won't provide any supplementing information because you don't have any, if it does exist post it, but since you refuse to, you know how it makes your statements look. I won't ask again for any supporting evidence or documentation because you don't have it, and honestly I never thought you did.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

The annotated bibliography and sources from my papers and course actually show that the stereotypes and much of anything related to Italian organized crime wasn't true, and isn't true.

Are you talking about Italian organized crime, in general, or just this show?

If you're talking in general, I want to know the names of these researchers and the specific research methodologies.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Are you talking about Italian organized crime, in general, or just this show?

If you're talking in general, I want to know the names of these researchers and the specific research methodologies.

It was four years ago this summer, I'll work on digging out what I've got that isn't my own research. Mostly it was that Italian organized crime, and the stereotypes that come with it, are not in the majority of organized crime in America. The class spanned the origins in Europe with Black Hand and how the traditional Italian groups are being edged out by Russian, Asian, and groups from Central and South America. We repeatedly discussed Mafia Myths and how things from the 20s still permeate today, especially with popular culture and the media.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Mostly it was that Italian organized crime, and the stereotypes that come with it, are not in the majority of organized crime in America.

That's a completely different topic. What you learned in your course is only dispelling the myth that organized crime = Italians.

Regarding this topic, the scholars who acknowledge the existence of organized crime (not all do) tend to acknowledge that Italian organized crime has a distinct culture from other organized crime groupings. This culture is essentially Italian/Italian-America culture, but it takes on a stigma and exaggeration when it is associated with organized crime.

This is why it is offensive that in many movies and shows the Italians are playing organized crime roles or are loosely associated with it. People who don't know any better associate Italians/Italian culture with organized crime, period, because of this media saturation. I think the promoters on RH of NJ knew that when they did the commercials and preview show. They wanted to spark viewer curiosity.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That's a completely different topic. What you learned in your course is only dispelling the myth that organized crime = Italians.

Regarding this topic, the scholars who acknowledge the existence of organized crime (not all do) tend to acknowledge that Italian organized crime has a distinct culture from other organized crime groupings. This culture is essentially Italian/Italian-America culture, but it takes on a stigma and exaggeration when it is associated with organized crime.

This is why it is offensive that in many movies and shows the Italians are playing organized crime roles or are loosely associated with it. People who don't know any better associate Italians/Italian culture with organized crime, period, because of this media saturation. I think the promoters on RH of NJ knew that when they did the commercials and preview show. They wanted to spark viewer curiosity.

I was using it in support of stereotyping these people as being Italian and living in New Jersey, and therefore being connected, as wrong since it isn't true (sorry if I didn't make that clear) that connected people are like this, or people like this are connected. In essence that it doesn't work both ways. I'm not saying there aren't people out there like this, but it isn't the current trend in Organized Crime.

I find former USSR (aka Russian) Organized Crime rings fascinating as they are quite prolific on the west coast.

Dirty confession, I considered reading the book about Danielle's ex, to the point I looked it up on WorldCat.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I was using it in support of stereotyping these people as being Italian and living in New Jersey, and therefore being connected, as wrong since it isn't true (sorry if I didn't make that clear) that connected people are like this, or people like this are connected. In essence that it doesn't work both ways. I'm not saying there aren't people out there like this, but it isn't the current trend in Organized Crime.

You're blurring the topic, but I think the main point has been made.