The Real Housewives of NJ

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I am not ASSuming, I directly asked you what makes them mafia in your OPINION as you made a statement. You haven't answered PmMama or me, just said you had information. What is this information you read?

Why not share this information so you can back up what you're saying? She's Italian, I have done coursework on the subject, enlighten us, there is a reason we're asking.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, I want you to quote a post that I wrote where I SPECIFICALLY said that because they were Italian and had NJ accents, that this is what made them mob. I'm still waiting for you to do that. Until you can do that, you should probably refrain from making such an accusation.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

My post wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry if it came out that way.



And we want you to answer WHY you thought they were mob? I never said that you said that, but A) they ARE Italian. B) they have NJ accents. So what else would make you think they are mafia?

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Good for you. Way to backtrack now. Next time you should ask what made me say that instead of jumping in and telling me why I said it.

And while we're at it, let's talk about the fact that while you accuse ME of having stereotypes, based on the statement in bold, you just showed that YOU are the one with the stereotypes. The fact that they are Italian and have NJ accents is the least of my concern. In fact only a couple of them have accents in my opinion.

No, I'm basing my statement on information I came across about the families. I also know poeple in that area who have given me some scoop.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I didn't backtrack. I stated my thoughts. You LOVE putting words into people's threads don't you? I've seen you do it elsewhere.

Those aren't MY stereotypes. Those are stereotypes that people use to come up with the conclusion that someone is mafia.

And I'm sorry but I really don't believe that you know peopel in the area and they gave you info. I think you got called out.

This is now my second request for you to share the source (link to a website for example) of your information. PM_Mama00 has also asked this. Instead of getting defensive and deflecting, just tell us. Knowing people is anecdotal evidence, and you mentioned information you came across before you claimed you knew people in the area.

If I am incorrect I apologize, but you are in law school, aren't you? Don't they teach you how to research and back up your statements? Just cite your sources, that's all we're asking (and this happens all over GC, check out the Risk Management forum and how Kevin runs things). Speculating is fine, but don't state things as fact and then not back it up.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

This is now my second request for you to share the source (link to a website for example) of your information. PM_Mama00 has also asked this. Instead of getting defensive and deflecting, just tell us. Knowing people is anecdotal evidence, and you mentioned information you came across before you claimed you knew people in the area.

If I am incorrect I apologize, but you are in law school, aren't you? Don't they teach you how to research and back up your statements? Just cite your sources, that's all we're asking (and this happens all over GC, check out the Risk Management forum and how Kevin runs things). Speculating is fine, but don't state things as fact and then not back it up.

I swear it's like night and day around here. One minute I'm being slammed because I DO provide sources (apparently that is "pathetic", the next minute I'm being slammed because I haven't provided sources. Make up your minds.

At any rate, I'm actually in shock that no one else heard about the family connections to the mob. You can even read about it if you do a simple google search. In fact that you probably be better because then you can pick your own sources. All the stuff you all mention in relation to why people might think they are mob is stuff that I don't know anything about. I haven't seen The View, I haven't seen any commercials with slogans or anything of the like.


On another note, I am upset that I forgot to watch this week's episode. Hopefully I will be able to catch a repeat.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I swear it's like night and day around here. One minute I'm being slammed because I DO provide sources (apparently that is "pathetic", the next minute I'm being slammed because I haven't provided sources. Make up your minds.

At any rate, I'm actually in shock that no one else heard about the family connections to the mob. You can even read about it if you do a simple google search. In fact that you probably be better because then you can pick your own sources. All the stuff you all mention in relation to why people might think they are mob is stuff that I don't know anything about. I haven't seen The View, I haven't seen any commercials with slogans or anything of the like.


On another note, I am upset that I forgot to watch this week's episode. Hopefully I will be able to catch a repeat.

I have never been involved in any thread or discussion with you where this has been a problem, if I had done this I wouldn't ask, but I did, and you don't want to provide them. I could do a google search, but you're the one making statements and I want to see what you've come up with, if I wanted to support myself I can do that as I previously stated I've done coursework on the history of organized crime in America. You have the opportunity to provide me with information I don't have, if you don't want to do that be Bobby Brown as it is your prerogative. I also haven't watched The View. I am asking YOU because YOU made statements.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I have never been involved in any thread or discussion with you where this has been a problem, if I had done this I wouldn't ask, but I did, and you don't want to provide them. I could do a google search, but you're the one making statements and I want to see what you've come up with, if I wanted to support myself I can do that as I previously stated I've done coursework on the history of organized crime in America. You have the opportunity to provide me with information I don't have, if you don't want to do that be Bobby Brown as it is your prerogative. I also haven't watched The View. I am asking YOU because YOU made statements.

Yes, I did make statements. However, one thing I have always done is to find sources of information for myself. I'm not sure why you refuse to do that. The information is available...and it isn't just some gossipy rag type of stuff either.

And the fact that you have done coursework on organized crime in American means what exactly? I don't really know where you are going with that. Even the most extensive research on organized crime in America won't turn up every single name of every mobster or everyone who was associated with them. I have a friend whose dad was definitely involved in mob activity, but I doubt you would find information about him in doing your research. Typically organized crime in America just focuses on the bigger names and most well-known families.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Yes, I did make statements. However, one thing I have always done is to find sources of information for myself. I'm not sure why you refuse to do that. The information is available...and it isn't just some gossipy rag type of stuff either.

And the fact that you have done coursework on organized crime in American means what exactly? I don't really know where you are going with that. Even the most extensive research on organized crime in America won't turn up every single name of every mobster or everyone who was associated with them. I have a friend whose dad was definitely involved in mob activity, but I doubt you would find information about him in doing your research. Typically organized crime in America just focuses on the bigger names and most well-known families.

Thanks for the entertainment. I could have found them myself but you claim I'd only support my ideas with my research. If you went back many posts I mentioned my coursework as I was going to use it to back up what I said. The annotated bibliography and sources from my papers and course actually show that the stereotypes and much of anything related to Italian organized crime wasn't true, and isn't true. I would still like to know how these people are connected (according to YOU).

You won't provide any supplementing information because you don't have any, if it does exist post it, but since you refuse to, you know how it makes your statements look. I won't ask again for any supporting evidence or documentation because you don't have it, and honestly I never thought you did.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

The annotated bibliography and sources from my papers and course actually show that the stereotypes and much of anything related to Italian organized crime wasn't true, and isn't true.

Are you talking about Italian organized crime, in general, or just this show?

If you're talking in general, I want to know the names of these researchers and the specific research methodologies.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Are you talking about Italian organized crime, in general, or just this show?

If you're talking in general, I want to know the names of these researchers and the specific research methodologies.

It was four years ago this summer, I'll work on digging out what I've got that isn't my own research. Mostly it was that Italian organized crime, and the stereotypes that come with it, are not in the majority of organized crime in America. The class spanned the origins in Europe with Black Hand and how the traditional Italian groups are being edged out by Russian, Asian, and groups from Central and South America. We repeatedly discussed Mafia Myths and how things from the 20s still permeate today, especially with popular culture and the media.