The Real Housewives of NJ

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Please quote the post where I said that because they are Italian and speak with a NJ accent, that this makes them mafia. Thanks.

I already did. You ASSumed they were mobsters.

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer

I have no clue whether these people are in the mafia, obviously, but the Manzo's (Caroline and Dina) are related to Tiny Manzo (he's their father-in-law), who also owned and operated the banquet hall that they now run. He had mafia ties...until he was horribly murdered and left in a trunk. That's not to say that any of these women are married to men in the mafia, but it is an interesting tie.

And then there's Danielle...who's like a wannabe mobster based on her past...

Anyone can have ties to the mafia. Just because you have mafia friends doesn't mean you're involved. And if that's the case, let's just say the UAW is a mafia organization since they have/had mafia ties.

Jimmy Hoffa-- Mafia ties. Not mafia. If that makes sense.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Anyone can have ties to the mafia. Just because you have mafia friends doesn't mean you're involved. And if that's the case, let's just say the UAW is a mafia organization since they have/had mafia ties.

Jimmy Hoffa-- Mafia ties. Not mafia. If that makes sense.

That's why I said I have no way of knowing if these people are involved in the mafia. That was the opening sentence to my post.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I already did. You ASSumed they were mobsters.



Anyone can have ties to the mafia. Just because you have mafia friends doesn't mean you're involved. And if that's the case, let's just say the UAW is a mafia organization since they have/had mafia ties.

Jimmy Hoffa-- Mafia ties. Not mafia. If that makes sense.

No, I want you to quote a post that I wrote where I SPECIFICALLY said that because they were Italian and had NJ accents, that this is what made them mob. I'm still waiting for you to do that. Until you can do that, you should probably refrain from making such an accusation.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer

That's why I said I have no way of knowing if these people are involved in the mafia. That was the opening sentence to my post.

My post wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry if it came out that way.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, I want you to quote a post that I wrote where I SPECIFICALLY said that because they were Italian and had NJ accents, that this is what made them mob. I'm still waiting for you to do that. Until you can do that, you should probably refrain from making such an accusation.

And we want you to answer WHY you thought they were mob? I never said that you said that, but A) they ARE Italian. B) they have NJ accents. So what else would make you think they are mafia?

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

My post wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry if it came out that way.

Ahhh ok, sorry for the confusion! I totally misread it.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

My post wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry if it came out that way.



And we want you to answer WHY you thought they were mob? I never said that you said that, but A) they ARE Italian. B) they have NJ accents. So what else would make you think they are mafia?

Good for you. Way to backtrack now. Next time you should ask what made me say that instead of jumping in and telling me why I said it.

And while we're at it, let's talk about the fact that while you accuse ME of having stereotypes, based on the statement in bold, you just showed that YOU are the one with the stereotypes. The fact that they are Italian and have NJ accents is the least of my concern. In fact only a couple of them have accents in my opinion.

No, I'm basing my statement on information I came across about the families. I also know poeple in that area who have given me some scoop.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Good for you. Way to backtrack now. Next time you should ask what made me say that instead of jumping in and telling me why I said it.

And while we're at it, let's talk about the fact that while you accuse ME of having stereotypes, based on the statement in bold, you just showed that YOU are the one with the stereotypes. The fact that they are Italian and have NJ accents is the least of my concern. In fact only a couple of them have accents in my opinion.

No, I'm basing my statement on information I came across about the families. I also know poeple in that area who have given me some scoop.

I didn't backtrack. I stated my thoughts. You LOVE putting words into people's threads don't you? I've seen you do it elsewhere.

Those aren't MY stereotypes. Those are stereotypes that people use to come up with the conclusion that someone is mafia.

And I'm sorry but I really don't believe that you know peopel in the area and they gave you info. I think you got called out.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I am not ASSuming, I directly asked you what makes them mafia in your OPINION as you made a statement. You haven't answered PmMama or me, just said you had information. What is this information you read?

Why not share this information so you can back up what you're saying? She's Italian, I have done coursework on the subject, enlighten us, there is a reason we're asking.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, I want you to quote a post that I wrote where I SPECIFICALLY said that because they were Italian and had NJ accents, that this is what made them mob. I'm still waiting for you to do that. Until you can do that, you should probably refrain from making such an accusation.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

My post wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry if it came out that way.



And we want you to answer WHY you thought they were mob? I never said that you said that, but A) they ARE Italian. B) they have NJ accents. So what else would make you think they are mafia?

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Good for you. Way to backtrack now. Next time you should ask what made me say that instead of jumping in and telling me why I said it.

And while we're at it, let's talk about the fact that while you accuse ME of having stereotypes, based on the statement in bold, you just showed that YOU are the one with the stereotypes. The fact that they are Italian and have NJ accents is the least of my concern. In fact only a couple of them have accents in my opinion.

No, I'm basing my statement on information I came across about the families. I also know poeple in that area who have given me some scoop.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I didn't backtrack. I stated my thoughts. You LOVE putting words into people's threads don't you? I've seen you do it elsewhere.

Those aren't MY stereotypes. Those are stereotypes that people use to come up with the conclusion that someone is mafia.

And I'm sorry but I really don't believe that you know peopel in the area and they gave you info. I think you got called out.

This is now my second request for you to share the source (link to a website for example) of your information. PM_Mama00 has also asked this. Instead of getting defensive and deflecting, just tell us. Knowing people is anecdotal evidence, and you mentioned information you came across before you claimed you knew people in the area.

If I am incorrect I apologize, but you are in law school, aren't you? Don't they teach you how to research and back up your statements? Just cite your sources, that's all we're asking (and this happens all over GC, check out the Risk Management forum and how Kevin runs things). Speculating is fine, but don't state things as fact and then not back it up.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

This is now my second request for you to share the source (link to a website for example) of your information. PM_Mama00 has also asked this. Instead of getting defensive and deflecting, just tell us. Knowing people is anecdotal evidence, and you mentioned information you came across before you claimed you knew people in the area.

If I am incorrect I apologize, but you are in law school, aren't you? Don't they teach you how to research and back up your statements? Just cite your sources, that's all we're asking (and this happens all over GC, check out the Risk Management forum and how Kevin runs things). Speculating is fine, but don't state things as fact and then not back it up.

I swear it's like night and day around here. One minute I'm being slammed because I DO provide sources (apparently that is "pathetic", the next minute I'm being slammed because I haven't provided sources. Make up your minds.

At any rate, I'm actually in shock that no one else heard about the family connections to the mob. You can even read about it if you do a simple google search. In fact that you probably be better because then you can pick your own sources. All the stuff you all mention in relation to why people might think they are mob is stuff that I don't know anything about. I haven't seen The View, I haven't seen any commercials with slogans or anything of the like.


On another note, I am upset that I forgot to watch this week's episode. Hopefully I will be able to catch a repeat.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I didn't backtrack. I stated my thoughts. You LOVE putting words into people's threads don't you? I've seen you do it elsewhere.

Those aren't MY stereotypes. Those are stereotypes that people use to come up with the conclusion that someone is mafia.

And I'm sorry but I really don't believe that you know peopel in the area and they gave you info. I think you got called out.

Okay maybe that is YOUR sterepotype. Most people I know don't use those things you mentioned as a "guideline" for saying someone is Mob. They typically base it on information such as occupation, family and friend associations, knowledge of dealings with "members" of mob families. Things like that. Your NJ-accent-Italian "thing" is just...baffling.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I just wanted to quote this soapbox. LOL.

lol to learn about a culture and have questions is one thing. I've learned A LOT on Greekchat and I try to understand. I think I've "grown up" a lot on here in terms of my opinions.

Originally Posted by epchick

My dad was born and raised in New Jersey...but he isn't Italian so he hasn't really experienced any of this.


and in case anyone didn't know yet both Teresa and Jacqueline are pregnant.

Ok just re-read the link that was posted in the first post. I thought Teresa was part of the family too somehow?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

So what else would make you think they are mafia?

Maybe the same references that made a lot of people think they are mafia. (not having read all of deepimpact's posts, I will just assume she doesn't really have the inside scoop )

The initial commercials highlighted the "we are family...don't mess with us" theme and it discussed the family owned business. Many people thought about the stereotypical Sopranos and Italian family references.

The media took it and ran with it, I think for publicity's sake, and The View even asked the ladies about it.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Maybe the same references that made a lot of people think they are mafia. (not having read all of deepimpact's posts, I will just assume she doesn't really have the inside scoop )

The initial commercials highlighted the "we are family...don't mess with us" theme and it discussed the family owned business. Many people thought about the stereotypical Sopranos and Italian family references.

The media took it and ran with it, I think for publicity's sake, and The View even asked the ladies about it.

What if some same statements were made by people with Fargo accents? I think a lot of it has to do with location and regional speech and dialect. People in North Dakota care about their families and likely behave in similar ways, but it just isn't as good tv to fight over tractors, heads of cattle, or failing your 4-H project. There are controlling parents and large families everywhere, the bling and the accents make for good tv.

I promise if I marry a rich oil man or a guy who owns a fleet of commercial fishing vessels I'll totally be on the "Real Housewives, Arctic Circle" and shoot animals while wearing something designer.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

What if some same statements were made by people with Fargo accents? I think a lot of it has to do with location and regional speech and dialect. People in North Dakota care about their families and likely behave in similar ways, but it just isn't as good tv to fight over tractors, heads of cattle, or failing your 4-H project. There are controlling parents and large families everywhere, the bling and the accents make for good tv.

Oh I don't really care. LOL. People know the stereotypes, so it is what it is.

The Real Housewives promoters also know the stereotypes and played on the images to get people intrigued. "Oooooh! There's a MAFIA FAMILY!!! Exciting!"

[texas*princess]

omg! scandelous!