Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Eh...no one absorbs instantaneously even if they think they do.

Anyway, you always have to read all of the information provided. Obviously reading the full bill would give you a direct and detailed reference as with reading the original document for anything. However, 5% or less of the American population will be reading the full bill, hence the website. There is more to the website than the bar chart and perhaps more details on specific programs under the categories will be released as details become available.

We have to have high expectations but realistic expectations.

Yes, it says right there in black and white that all of the spending will be specified once it's determined. I believe states and specific programs have to apply for some of it. We can't expect the federal government to just know which road projects, school programs, etc. need funding without states saying, "Hey! Over here! We've got this bridge replacement we need done ASAP..." (for example)

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Yes, it says right there in black and white that all of the spending will be specified once it's determined. I believe states and specific programs have to apply for some of it. We can't expect the federal government to just know which road projects, school programs, etc. need funding without states saying, "Hey! Over here! We've got this bridge replacement we need done ASAP..." (for example)

Funny that you mention that...

I was hearing on the news this morning how some states once they knew how much they would be getting have already had plans in place on improvement projects that needed to be done ASAP.
Also you are correct, states have presented their cases before Congress about what they needed money for and how much, thus once the stimulus package was conceived, I believe it was already deteremined around about how much states that needed assistance would get and what they were to use it on.

ETA: Talking about catastrophes...The New York Post is mighty ballsy with this one today:

Delonas Toon

Gotta love the hot dank smell of idiocy early in the morning.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Funny that you mention that...

I was hearing on the news this morning how some states once they knew how much they would be getting have already had plans in place on improvement projects that needed to be done ASAP.
Also you are correct, states have presented their cases before Congress about what they needed money for and how much, thus once the stimulus package was conceived, I believe it was already deteremined around about how much states that needed assistance would get and what they were to use it on.

I think that's the case, as there was already talk in some towns around here about a couple of school projects that would be utilizing stimulus funds.

Also - anyone else have issues downloading the stimulus bill from the website?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

ETA: Talking about catastrophes...The New York Post is mighty ballsy with this one today:

Delonas Toon

Gotta love the hot dank smell of idiocy early in the morning.

We're all familiar with the use of ape/monkey/gorilla imaging to debase blacks in the United States, but this is clearly a reference to the monkey that ate a woman's hands and nose in Stamford.

This is kind of an interesting situation, in my mind - Obama is the President, but authored about zero percent of the stimulus bill. Is his standing as President enough to invoke racial overtones in the cartoon regardless? (Clearly there will be a subtext of some degree no matter what)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

We're all familiar with the use of ape/monkey/gorilla imaging to debase blacks in the United States, but this is clearly a reference to the monkey that ate a woman's hands and nose in Stamford.

This is kind of an interesting situation, in my mind - Obama is the President, but authored about zero percent of the stimulus bill. Is his standing as President enough to invoke racial overtones in the cartoon regardless? (Clearly there will be a subtext of some degree no matter what)

So the cartoon is attempting to convey that this stimulus bill is a wild, untamed, animal comparable to that chimpanzee that bit off both of her hands and destroyed her face. OK. I can see that.

But, as you acknowledged, I do think that people are well aware of possible racial (over and under) tones seeing as though Obama is the "face" of this stimulus bill.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So the cartoon is attempting to convey that this stimulus bill is a wild, untamed, animal comparable to that chimpanzee that bit off both of her hands and destroyed her face. OK. I can see that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a particularly clever link - and I think it relies on the "this was written by a bunch of stupid monkeys" connection, too, which may play much more into the racial stereotype, too.

It's tripe either way.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a particularly clever link - and I think it relies on the "this was written by a bunch of stupid monkeys" connection, too, which may play much more into the racial stereotype, too.

It's tripe either way.

If there were a lot of dead monkeys laying around sure...

Sorry if I don't agree with that POV.

But yes, garbage it is.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

If there were a lot of dead monkeys laying around sure...

Sorry if I don't agree with that POV.

But yes, garbage it is.

As opposed to the high level of insight you'd usually associate with the NYPost?

I'm often amused by them, but I wouldn't expect you to be based on the politics you've expressed here.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

We're all familiar with the use of ape/monkey/gorilla imaging to debase blacks in the United States, but this is clearly a reference to the monkey that ate a woman's hands and nose in Stamford.

This is kind of an interesting situation, in my mind - Obama is the President, but authored about zero percent of the stimulus bill. Is his standing as President enough to invoke racial overtones in the cartoon regardless? (Clearly there will be a subtext of some degree no matter what)

regardless...that 19th century mentality is a no...

remember these gems?


Limbaugh and Curious George

Bar gets sued over monkey shirt

GOP's stuffed monkey at Palin rally


See why this doesn't fly?

It's a lame way to try and tie in the chimp shooting with the stimulus bill and Obama's (or any black person) heritage.

I have viewed some of his other work and clearly he is not a fan of Obama and is provoctive, but no big deal, but this crosses the line.

ETA: Interesting...he is accused of gay bashing also...Delonas BAAAAD cartoon

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Yes, it says right there in black and white that all of the spending will be specified once it's determined. I believe states and specific programs have to apply for some of it. We can't expect the federal government to just know which road projects, school programs, etc. need funding without states saying, "Hey! Over here! We've got this bridge replacement we need done ASAP..." (for example)

I hope the information and deadlines are dessiminated to the states properly so "no state left behind."