Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Ok...so, then does it follow that it's too early to say he's doing a good job as well? There are posters who have applauded his early moves (regarding the stimulus, abortion, etc.). If it's too early to criticize, it's probably too early to start patting him on the back as well, correct?

I agree that, to judge his Presidency as a whole, we need to wait. I'll even give you that we can't say whether his measures will be ultimately be successes or failures. But I don't see a problem with preliminary applause or criticism for something like the stimulus bill, or for the public face he's put on the issues through his news conferences.

ETA: Not everyone's being negative just to be negative; people have real problems with the stimulus bill, and his early approach to the economic crisis, for a variety of reasons.

Agreed, whole heartedly...I have applauded SOME of what he has done right now but I won't be the first one to say **think back to the Lexus Christmas commercial** He is the BEST President.......EVER.

This is why I said we have to give it time before we have a handle on the OVERALL job.

Signing a few bills and reversing some of the former admin. bills doesn't mean shyte to the overall job performance.

It's just like a relationship, in the early part, they do everything right and say the words we all want to hear but in the back of our minds we have to be vigilant because sometimes years later those things do not hold up and people change....heh

It's not just the stimulus bill that people have problems with....and well...no need to run down that ball of wax again, suffice to say some people hate Obama just because, and let's just leave it at that.

Kisg...that reminds me, peep this: Historians Rank the Presidents

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

some people hate Obama just because, and let's just leave it at that.

And some people LIKE Obama just because.

Just saying.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

And some people LIKE Obama just because.

Just saying.

Right!

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Agreed, whole heartedly...I have applauded SOME of what he has done right now but I won't be the first one to say **think back to the Lexus Christmas commercial** He is the BEST President.......EVER.

This is why I said we have to give it time before we have a handle on the OVERALL job.

Signing a few bills and reversing some of the former admin. bills doesn't mean shyte to the overall job performance.

It's just like a relationship, in the early part, they do everything right and say the words we all want to hear but in the back of our minds we have to be vigilant because sometimes years later those things do not hold up and people change....heh

It's not just the stimulus bill that people have problems with....and well...no need to run down that ball of wax again, suffice to say some people hate Obama just because, and let's just leave it at that.

Kisg...that reminds me, peep this: Historians Rank the Presidents

I saw the Yahoo story, pretty interesting. It's on par with what one of my college professors (Robert Dallek) always said, as he consistently mentioned FDR, Truman and Lincoln. I personally think FDR gets way too much credit, and people gloss over some of the serious issues with FDR as a President, but that's a whole other discussion...

I completely agree that it takes a number of years to assess a President's legacy as a whole. Part of this is the time it takes to release the Presidential papers, and part of it is that certain high level decisions don't take full and final affect for a number of years. We won't be able to fairly evaluate the Obama presidency, as a whole, for many years, and I agree it's premature to even start that discussion.

That said - I don't see anyone here saying that he's the "WORST PRESIDENT EVER!" People have concerns about some of his decisions regarding economics, and while time will tell whether those decisions are correct, I see no issue with people criticizing those individual decisions now. If it's ok to applaud some of what he's done now, then should be ok to criticize some of it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

That said - I don't see anyone here saying that he's the "WORST PRESIDENT EVER!" People have concerns about some of his decisions regarding economics, and while time will tell whether those decisions are correct, I see no issue with people criticizing those individual decisions now. If it's ok to applaud some of what he's done now, then should be ok to criticize some of it.

This is why I had such a huge problem when people like Limbaugh and the ilk just straight came out and said I hope he fails.

It had a lot of sore loser saltiness attributed to it.

I mean no matter whether you like a *new* POTUS or not, instead of hoping for abject failure, it's best to just hope that they do well enough to not affect your bottom line.

No matter how much I disliked Bush, I was hoping somewhere somehow that he would do some things to not come off as a complete and abject failure, but in my eyes, it never happened but I didn't sit back and WISH him to fail.

Be nonplussed and unsympathizing yes...hope for failure...no.


That is an issue that we as citizens especially those that are not used to being in that position has to understand how to take. As they say, "When given lemons, make lemonade."

As we have said so many times already, it's way too early to tell how things are going to talk about it's going to turn out.

Another report I was trying to find is how NOW critics of Clinton are all over him stating that his economic decisions from his administration are the reason why we are where we are today.

It seems like everyone wants to point fingers of blame instead of doing something about it. Sure, we can go back and blame Bush and Clinton and Congress that met back then on things that are happening now but it's not like we can force them to change what is as it is.

What we have to deal with is what this present admin has the ability to do in the present day to fix at least a part of it.