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Old 01-24-2009, 07:36 PM
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I have to disagree with the fact that Donovan McNabb is superstar quarterback. Yes, he is a good solid quarterback, but he isn't headed to the hall of fame. While he has been selected to five pro bowls, of which he was only selected to start one. He has no league MVP selections. Has yet to win a super bowl. Sure he's a good quarterback, he wins games.

ETA: Sure McNabb is good enough to start, no one is arguing that, but for a STARTING quarterback, he's mediocre at best.

and as for the limbaugh case, i think first we should define failure.
  1. The condition or fact of not achieving the desired end or ends: the failure of an experiment.
  2. One that fails: a failure at one's career.
  3. The condition or fact of being insufficient or falling short: a crop failure.
  4. A cessation of proper functioning or performance: a power failure.
  5. Nonperformance of what is requested or expected; omission: failure to report a change of address.
  6. The act or fact of failing to pass a course, test, or assignment.
  7. A decline in strength or effectiveness.
  8. The act or fact of becoming bankrupt or insolvent.
I would have to agree that according to the definintion above, I would like see Obama fail in accordance with defintion 1, 3, 4, 5*, 7*.

* Now these two are tricky and I feel I must justify myself, I disagree with what most people expect of him. Most people expect him to push his liberal agenda of radical ideaologies that I do not believe will be good for this country. In that I hope he fails. He may be a very strong and effective president, but if it's strong and effective in terms that I disagree with, it doesn't do me any good.

As far as anything Obama has done so far. I disagree with everything. And I can now rightfully say that now that he's actually done it.

For everyone of who bashed bush and were part of the result of his low approval rating, you say that because I agreed with him, I was an idiot. Well, I am now on the other side of the fence, I disapprove of Obama's job as president, and now, all these people who preach tolerance are going to say that I'm an idiot for disagreeing. I'm not giving up my morals or standards just becuase it isn't the popular thing to do. You people need to look at yourself and decide just how fucking hypocritical you are. If a radical had said these things about Bush he would have been PRAISED. Where's the JUSTICE in first amendmant?
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:20 PM
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I have to disagree with the fact that Donovan McNabb is superstar quarterback. Yes, he is a good solid quarterback, but he isn't headed to the hall of fame. While he has been selected to five pro bowls, of which he was only selected to start one. He has no league MVP selections. Has yet to win a super bowl. Sure he's a good quarterback, he wins games.

ETA: Sure McNabb is good enough to start, no one is arguing that, but for a STARTING quarterback, he's mediocre at best.

and as for the limbaugh case, i think first we should define failure.
  1. The condition or fact of not achieving the desired end or ends: the failure of an experiment.
  2. One that fails: a failure at one's career.
  3. The condition or fact of being insufficient or falling short: a crop failure.
  4. A cessation of proper functioning or performance: a power failure.
  5. Nonperformance of what is requested or expected; omission: failure to report a change of address.
  6. The act or fact of failing to pass a course, test, or assignment.
  7. A decline in strength or effectiveness.
  8. The act or fact of becoming bankrupt or insolvent.
I would have to agree that according to the definintion above, I would like see Obama fail in accordance with defintion 1, 3, 4, 5*, 7*.

* Now these two are tricky and I feel I must justify myself, I disagree with what most people expect of him. Most people expect him to push his liberal agenda of radical ideaologies that I do not believe will be good for this country. In that I hope he fails. He may be a very strong and effective president, but if it's strong and effective in terms that I disagree with, it doesn't do me any good.

As far as anything Obama has done so far. I disagree with everything. And I can now rightfully say that now that he's actually done it.

For everyone of who bashed bush and were part of the result of his low approval rating, you say that because I agreed with him, I was an idiot. Well, I am now on the other side of the fence, I disapprove of Obama's job as president, and now, all these people who preach tolerance are going to say that I'm an idiot for disagreeing. I'm not giving up my morals or standards just becuase it isn't the popular thing to do. You people need to look at yourself and decide just how fucking hypocritical you are. If a radical had said these things about Bush he would have been PRAISED. Where's the JUSTICE in first amendmant?
And again...what I and some others have said awhile ago, when someone says something, you attach what is said to the speaker.

Based on context of what you said, and by the fact that I don't know you personally, I can only take you at face value. Someone who knows you or has heard you speak on the topic will be able to weigh in on your words and assign credibility to what you said and better understand on where you are coming from when you make the above statement.

Rush on the other hand is a different story and as shown earlier he has stepped over the line more than enough times (I have even pointed it out earlier using his own words) that anyone worth his salt knows when that statement was made he merely wasn't talking about Obama's policies. It is very difficult to simply translate anything Rush says and thinks he is being sincere or goodly when we know his past history of bigotry.
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:36 PM
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And again...what I and some others have said awhile ago, when someone says something, you attach what is said to the speaker.

Based on context of what you said, and by the fact that I don't know you personally, I can only take you at face value. Someone who knows you or has heard you speak on the topic will be able to weigh in on your words and assign credibility to what you said and better understand on where you are coming from when you make the above statement.

Rush on the other hand is a different story and as shown earlier he has stepped over the line more than enough times (I have even pointed it out earlier using his own words) that anyone worth his salt knows when that statement was made he merely wasn't talking about Obama's policies. It is very difficult to simply translate anything Rush says and thinks he is being sincere or goodly when we know his past history of bigotry.
I urge you to please explain apartment from pushing his agenda and policies, what else could he possibly fail at?
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:43 PM
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I urge you to please explain apartment from pushing his agenda and policies, what else could he possibly fail at?
You're asking the wrong person because I am not the one wishing him nor his admin failure.

I believe that if his admin succeeds WE ALL succeed.

But that is just me, plus most of the 60% that voted for him.
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You're asking the wrong person because I am not the one wishing him nor his admin failure.

I believe that if his admin succeeds WE ALL succeed.

But that is just me, plus most of the 60% that voted for him.
Yes, but I am saying though, is define success, define failure. It's all how people view it.

I believe an admin can only be measured as a success or failure in terms of policies passed or failed when introduced.

Anything terms of success or failure are just matters of personal opinions and cannot be said as factual because someone may not feel the same way.

For instance, I believe if his administration succeeds, we're doomed and we all fail.
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