Rush Limbaugh hopes Obama Fails

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jwright25

OK. I've been thinking about this. And DS, I know there's no way in hell you will ever agree with Rush Limbaugh about anything, even if he said the sky is blue. As someone who did not vote for President Obama, I can read between Rush's lines and know where he is coming from. Rush did not vote for Obama (no secret) because he does not believe that Obama's ideas for solving the country's problems are the best way to go about it. Neither do I for that matter.

So Rush does not want him to succeed in creating socialized healthcare or spreading the wealth or any other number of things. Because Rush (and 57 million other Americans) don't want this stuff to happen. I don't want a lot of it to happen. So as far as hoping that Obama succeeds on putting his campaign platform into law, I would agree with Rush.

I think that Rush was speaking on a micro level - about Obama's specific policy ideas. On a macro level - I (and many others) desperately want him to succeed. For the most part, we all want the same outcomes, it's just that we differ on the methods to achieve them. I happen to believe in a free market system (NOT a fan of any bailout). I do not believe that the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to see a doctor without paying for it. I believe strongly in helping others - through private channels and the creation of jobs, not through tax dollars and bailouts/handouts. I gave 3 times the amount Vice President Biden did to charity, yet I make 20% of what he makes. I am a hardcore Libertarian that believes the federal government should exist only for defense and maybe a little infrastructure. Let the states handle other issues.

I DO NOT have all the answers. If I did, I would run for President. But as a business owner, I know that I want as little unsolicited input as possible from the federal government about how to run my business. And how to run my life. And what I should be required to do with my money and my time. If I go bankrupt, that's MY problem. Not the government's and sure as hell not your problem or your responsibility to help me out. I don't want help. This woman scares the shit out of me. How have we gotten to a point where Americans believe that the President of the United States is going to fix it so they don't have to worry about paying their bills? I would like to believe that she is thinking macro, and that it is her belief that Obama's policies will create so much wealth that she will get a great job and have money to burn. But I don't doubt that there are folks out there who voted for him just because they want more social programs and money for nothing. "How DARE anyone in this country take home more than $250,000 in salary. Take it from those greedy bastards and give it to me. I'm poor."

I have great respect for President Obama. He is my President, and when he proposes something that is in line with my personal values and thoughts, I will hope that he succeeds and will share that with my Congressman and Senators. However, if he proposes something that I do not agree with, I cannot help but hope that he (read: IT) fails. I am even more liberal than he on some issues (gay marriage, decriminalization of marijuana, and other matters of liberty that I believe to be PRIVATE issues and none of the government's business).

And I have to agree with our new Secretary of State: “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, “WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE AND DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION!”

And that includes Rush Limbaugh.

Donovan McNabb
Halle Berry
Halfrican American
Barack the Magic Negro
Curious George

To start, those are just a few of the reason why I do not give Rush a pass with that portion of his comment.

ETA: Had it been someone else of more credibility and integrity, then the whole statement would require more 'generous' scrutiny.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Donovan McNabb
Halle Berry
Halfrican American
Barack the Magic Negro
Curious George

To start, those are just a few of the reason why I do not give Rush a pass with that portion of his comment.

Donovan McNabb - I don't know enough about his football skills to agree or disagree with Rush's assertion that he got more hype because of his skin color. Are you saying that it is impossible for Rush's statement to be true? (I don't know - I'm asking seriously, not rhetorically.)

Halle Berry / Halfrican American - I didn't know what you were referring to here and had to Google it. I am not black, and so I do not presume to pass judgment on the offensiveness of this situation. I have learned a lot from reading the other race wars on GC that what I might think is okay - really is not. So if this offends you as an African American, so be it. I won't tell you you are wrong.

Barack the Magic Negro - That term originated from an African American columnist, not Rush.

Curious George - That came from a caller to his show, not Rush.

Again, I don't think any amount of discussion or persuasion will ever convince you that Rush is right about anything. And that's OK. I do read your posts and your opinions on GC because I realize that unless I am truly informed about the ideas and opinions of those with whom I disagree, I cannot say that my own opinions have been generated without examining all sides of an issue.

I did enjoy your photos from the inauguration.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jwright25

Donovan McNabb - I don't know enough about his football skills to agree or disagree with Rush's assertion that he got more hype because of his skin color. Are you saying that it is impossible for Rush's statement to be true? (I don't know - I'm asking seriously, not rhetorically.)

Halle Berry / Halfrican American - I didn't know what you were referring to here and had to Google it. I am not black, and so I do not presume to pass judgment on the offensiveness of this situation. I have learned a lot from reading the other race wars on GC that what I might think is okay - really is not. So if this offends you as an African American, so be it. I won't tell you you are wrong.

Barack the Magic Negro - That term originated from an African American columnist, not Rush.

Curious George - That came from a caller to his show, not Rush.

Again, I don't think any amount of discussion or persuasion will ever convince you that Rush is right about anything. And that's OK. I do read your posts and your opinions on GC because I realize that unless I am truly informed about the ideas and opinions of those with whom I disagree, I cannot say that my own opinions have been generated without examining all sides of an issue.

I did enjoy your photos from the inauguration.

jwright...I thank you for that...and while I understand that some of what I listed didn't 'originate' from Rush's mouth, the fact that he picked up the baton as it were and ran with those thoughts and ideas, is offensive enough.

Starting with what he said about Donovan McNabb who has been one of the MOST successful QBs (period) in recent history, Rush's statements were clearly out of bounds...no pun intended.

He doesn't get credit for starting the fire but he sure as hell gets credit for fanning the flames.

And he did say 'majority' ....if you consider youself a 'minority' , and not a racist, to his argument, then it's no big deal.

[honeychile]

While I didn't vote for Barack Obama, as an American, he is now my president. Why on earth would I want to see his policies fail? But I did find the following article (I'll link & give y'all a snippet) very interesting:

Charles Krauthammer is a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post (letters@charles krauthammer.com).

Charles Krauthammer: Even Obama seems to understand how much Bush got right

"WASHINGTON -- Except for Richard Nixon, no president since Harry Truman leaves office more unloved than George W. Bush. Truman's rehabilitation took decades. Mr. Bush's will come sooner. Indeed, it has already begun. The chief revisionist? Barack Obama.

Vindication is being expressed not in words but in deeds -- the tacit endorsement conveyed by the Obama continuity-we-can-believe-in transition.

It's not just the retention of such key figures as Secretary of Defense Bob Gates or Treasury Secretary nominee Timothy Geithner, who, as president of the New York Fed, has been instrumental in guiding the Bush financial rescue over the last year. It's the continuity of policy...."



It's very easy to say, "I'm going to change this, and do that," when you don't have all the facts. Now President Obama does have the facts, so I wouldn't plan on any major changes overnight. But I do wish him the very best, as it would be in the interest of ALL Americans for him to do well.

I liked your photos, too!

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I have learned a lot from reading the other race wars on GC that what I might think is okay - really is not.

lol - k

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Donovan McNabb
Halle Berry
Halfrican American
Barack the Magic Negro
Curious George

To start, those are just a few of the reason why I do not give Rush a pass with that portion of his comment.

ETA: Had it been someone else of more credibility and integrity, then the whole statement would require more 'generous' scrutiny.

Limbaugh was right about Mcnabb.

[AKA_Monet]

Rush Limbaugh is a fat bastard! He's an Oxycontin pain killer abuser that has nothing left but his bloated profanations about anybody who is not him.

And he has a history of publicly saying racially incendiary and insensitive comments. I wonder how shocked he will be when he realizes that "PRESIDENT OBAMA" is his president, too? Probably write a coloring book that sells in the $millions, making more money!

When Rush says "I hope he fails" in the same sentence including President Obama, regardless if it is his policies or not, listeners have heard it and some people can easily have the POV an FCC violation... Why does he wish failure on a POTUS that is only ~2 days old? How would it best serve Rush?

And with any critical analysis of any public figure's comments up for introspection, the question always needs to be asked, "what about the opposite"...

If McLame won and became POTUS, how will it look if some perceived radical Black man on the radio said, "I hope he fails" Yada-yada?

Well SHIT! I hope Rush's radio show fails! I hope Rush's heart fails! I hope many things about Rush fails! But my hopes won't be fulfilled because Rush is an asshole that survives a long miserable ungrateful life anyways...

After all the shit I have suffered with great failures in the past years, I have lost much hope, dare I say faith...

Good to see others on GC hoping well-wishes for this country.

I am sorry, I don't see how hope can survive with the way most people are these days--especially after seeing the hater juice levied against President Obama from White Supremacists, Al Qaeda and "Lone Wolves" on CNN...

[33girl]

OK, I didn't read this thread because I so need a break from anything political, but I found it highly amusing that the "Rush: What Not To Do Or Say" thread is coming up just a few below this one.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

OK, I didn't read this thread because I so need a break from anything political, but I found it highly amusing that the "Rush: What Not To Do Or Say" thread is coming up just a few below this one.

That is funny. Limbaugh is hardheaded and wouldn't get a bid.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Rush Limbaugh is a fat bastard! He's an Oxycontin pain killer abuser that has nothing left but his bloated profanations about anybody who is not him.

And he has a history of publicly saying racially incendiary and insensitive comments. I wonder how shocked he will be when he realizes that "PRESIDENT OBAMA" is his president, too? Probably write a coloring book that sells in the $millions, making more money!

When Rush says "I hope he fails" in the same sentence including President Obama, regardless if it is his policies or not, listeners have heard it and some people can easily have the POV an FCC violation... Why does he wish failure on a POTUS that is only ~2 days old? How would it best serve Rush?

And with any critical analysis of any public figure's comments up for introspection, the question always needs to be asked, "what about the opposite"...

If McLame won and became POTUS, how will it look if some perceived radical Black man on the radio said, "I hope he fails" Yada-yada?

Well SHIT! I hope Rush's radio show fails! I hope Rush's heart fails! I hope many things about Rush fails! But my hopes won't be fulfilled because Rush is an asshole that survives a long miserable ungrateful life anyways...

After all the shit I have suffered with great failures in the past years, I have lost much hope, dare I say faith...

Good to see others on GC hoping well-wishes for this country.

I am sorry, I don't see how hope can survive with the way most people are these days--especially after seeing the hater juice levied against President Obama from White Supremacists, Al Qaeda and "Lone Wolves" on CNN...

This post just made my day. Soror, I give you two thumbs up and a pinky.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Shortcut? Please?

...and you may want to check but he is one of the FEW high caliber QBs playing right now that gets more done with less to work with unlike uuuhhh...the Colts and Patriots?

Gosh, just imagine if T.O. didn't have such a primadonna persona what Philly could have accomplished.

Now, clip ya wings there Ravens fan! Stop dissin' my Patriots! And you should also lay off my boy T.O.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Now, clip ya wings there Ravens fan! Stop dissin' my Patriots! And you should also lay off my boy T.O.

Slow ya roll dere...let me explain...hehe

That was NOT a diss to the Pats but the Pats have ALWAYS had some players they have turned into stars and at times Brady has made some of those players into stars and vice versa...and last year getting Randy Moss? A steal.

and truly think of how great T.O. could have been if he had his act together there in Philly.


Now...without peeking who are the WRs that have started for Philly since T.O.'s departure?

Any Pro Bowlers in that group?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't need to, I read them the first time.

I'm not arguing that you're wrong; I'm saying you took a shortcut to get there that may or may not be evident to others. Sometimes, you have to play Mapquest.

Shortcut? Please?

Limbaugh is a long straight road leading nowhere...no mapquest needed.

Originally Posted by madmax

Limbaugh was right about Mcnabb.

No ...he was not.

They DID go to the Super Bowl in 2004 right?

Meanwhile that SAME year when his comments were made, what happened to Limbaugh?

Fired from ESPN and then not a few weeks afterwards, brought up on drug charges...Oxycontin remember?

...and you may want to check but he is one of the FEW high caliber QBs playing right now that gets more done with less to work with unlike uuuhhh...the Colts and Patriots?

Gosh, just imagine if T.O. didn't have such a primadonna persona what Philly could have accomplished.

Hell, dare I say, McNabb thus far is one of the ONLY reasons why the Eagles are on the map right now. Since he was drafted how many winning seasons has Philly had?

And ummm what about the NUMBER ONE PICK, Tim Couch? Where is he now?
And if memory serves Philly BOOED the decision (like they tend to boo most things) to draft McNabb.

Who was the last big name QB that Philly had before McNabb?

Randall Cunningham.

So, no...I would have to say Limbaugh was and still is very wrong about McNabb and Black QBs in general.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

No ...he was not.

They DID go to the Super Bowl in 2004 right?

Meanwhile that SAME year when his comments were made, what happened to Limbaugh?

Fired from ESPN and then not a few weeks afterwards, brought up on drug charges...Oxycontin remember?

...and you may want to check but he is one of the FEW high caliber QBs playing right now that gets more done with less to work with unlike uuuhhh...the Colts and Patriots?

Gosh, just imagine if T.O. didn't have such a primadonna persona what Philly could have accomplished.

Hell, dare I say, McNabb thus far is one of the ONLY reasons why the Eagles are on the map right now. Since he was drafted how many winning seasons has Philly had?

And ummm what about the NUMBER ONE PICK, Tim Couch? Where is he now?
And if memory serves Philly BOOED the decision (like they tend to boo most things) to draft McNabb.

Who was the last big name QB that Philly had before McNabb?

Randall Cunningham.

So, no...I would have to say Limbaugh was and still is very wrong about McNabb and Black QBs in general.

Actually, you're kind of wrong in most of your analysis here, and none of it has anything to do with Limbaugh's statements (not to derail with football talk while the wounds are open).

Think about this: why do advanced metrics always have the Philly offense as better "on paper" than they are on the score sheet? Why do they have a disproportionate amount of their yards happen between the 20s?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Actually, you're kind of wrong in most of your analysis here, and none of it has anything to do with Limbaugh's statements (not to derail with football talk while the wounds are open).

Think about this: why do advanced metrics always have the Philly offense as better "on paper" than they are on the score sheet? Why do they have a disproportionate amount of their yards happen between the 20s?

I'm not even gonna pretend that I know Philly football so I have to take you at your word.


Just in comparison and a very general one at that, from an outsider looking in...I still think that Donovan has had just as much success with what bits and peices he's had on offense (Westbrook whenever healthy plus whoever is the guest WR that year) than whatever Manning and Brady has had (at least up to this season...)


Something to consider...suppose McNabb won the Super Bowl ...how would he and Manning compare?

Just general stuff I'm throwing out there nothing to be considered gospel

So, educate me on your team, please.

** go for the hijack **