Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

kappadivstar · #1 01-23-2009, 04:52 PM

Wow...I just found this thread and I realize it's like 6 months old- by my chapter basically got beat to hell in this extremely one sided story. Its unfortunate that no one from our chapter was apparently on this board at this time.

Can I take this time to point out that the two chapters being "colonized" never happened, and the KBG website STILL hasn't been updated? This is ridiculous. I am so offended by this.

KSUViolet06 · #2 01-23-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kappadivstar

Wow...I just found this thread and I realize it's like 6 months old- by my chapter basically got beat to hell in this extremely one sided story. Its unfortunate that no one from our chapter was apparently on this board at this time.

Can I take this time to point out that the two chapters being "colonized" never happened, and the KBG website STILL hasn't been updated? This is ridiculous. I am so offended by this.

Wow. I'd say "beat to hell" is a little dramatic.

Also, I love how you're offended by the discussion, so you bump it up so people can talk about it some more.

kappadivstar · #3 01-23-2009, 05:08 PM

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Wow. I'd say "beat to hell" is a little dramatic.

Also, I love how you're offended by the discussion, so you bump it up so people can talk about it some more.

I didn't bump it neccessarily for that reason, I just thought it was unfair how one-sided it was, and I figured that it would be good to hear the other side.

Guess not. I'll go back to being a "disloyal asshat".

KSUViolet06 · #4 01-23-2009, 05:11 PM

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I didn't bump it neccessarily for that reason, I just thought it was unfair how one-sided it was, and I figured that it would be good to hear the other side.

Guess not. I'll go back to being a "disloyal asshat".

But you didn't GIVE anyone an other side. You just said you were "beat to hell" and were offended.

We've had members of former KBG chapters come here and give details from their side of the fence, and they said alot more than "I'm offended."

kappadivstar · #5 01-23-2009, 05:15 PM

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But you didn't GIVE anyone an other side. You just said you were "beat to hell" and were offended.

I COULD get into it. I just didn't think anyone was really that interested. I just felt like I should say SOMETHING. I mean, don't you think most people would want to stand up for their chapter? Even if we are asshats, I still have pride in my chapter...

I totally get what you're saying...I just thought it would look silly if i came out of nowhere and wrote a several paragraph story.

#6 01-23-2009, 05:36 PM

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I totally get what you're saying...I just thought it would look silly if i came out of nowhere and wrote a several paragraph story.

I wouldn't think of it as silly at all.

lucgreek · #7 01-23-2009, 07:40 PM

I agree, you should tell the story.

Also not to add any flame but since leaving KBG the group is the biggest chapter at Loyola...

lucgreek · #8 01-24-2009, 07:28 PM

I don't know if you can answer this but which NPCs wanted to present to you guys and which ones actually presented before you chose KKG?

kappadivstar · #9 01-24-2009, 10:51 PM

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I don't know if you can answer this but which NPCs wanted to present to you guys and which ones actually presented before you chose KKG?

I'll PM you, lucgreek. I don't think its something I should post on the forum, but a lot of people at Loyola know because of Panhel, etc.

33girl · #10 01-25-2009, 04:36 PM

Judas Priest, this thing has more lives than the Mary Kay thread. From what I was told from various sources, I stand by what I posted. As I said, if LUC was that anti-KBG, they would have pushed NPC affiliation long before this.

And I don't think "things change" is an excuse for leaving 50 years worth of alumnae completely in the dark. Freaking call them, post a notice concerning the possible change in the alum newspaper, put it on your website, use common courtesy. Maybe they would have understood and rallied and improved KBG overall by getting involved themselves...but oh well, guess we'll never know because "things change."

chitownxo · #11 01-25-2009, 08:52 PM

Kappadivastart --

Here's the thing that you're missing...the chapter that you love so much? That was built on the backs on the members of the former KBG chapter who came before you. In my opinion, you sold out that sisterhood for another one. You don't have to agree with my assessment; frankly, I don't care if you do. I know that several of your alumni feel that way.

I do know that your group never contacted members and told them of the change. I don't think it would have been a difficult thing to trot over to the Alumni Relations Office on Pearson Street and request a list of names.

I still remain unimpressed with the way the situation was handled.

AOII Angel · #12 01-25-2009, 09:15 PM

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Kappadivastart --

Here's the thing that you're missing...the chapter that you love so much? That was built on the backs on the members of the former KBG chapter who came before you. In my opinion, you sold out that sisterhood for another one. You don't have to agree with my assessment; frankly, I don't care if you do. I know that several of your alumni feel that way.

I do know that your group never contacted members and told them of the change. I don't think it would have been a difficult thing to trot over to the Alumni Relations Office on Pearson Street and request a list of names.

I still remain unimpressed with the way the situation was handled.

I don't like to get into the middle of this fight, but to be fair, the alumnae can't be too pissed off if they weren't actively working to improve the chapter that they love. None of this occurred in a vacuum. It's really easy to second guess what these young women decided to do, but they obviously felt it was the best thing for their sisters. If my chapter decided to quit AOII because IHQ was nonresponsive and none of the alumnae were around to help, I'd be upset, but it would be at IHQ and my fellow chapter alumnae.

kappadivstar · #13 01-25-2009, 10:01 PM

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Judas Priest, this thing has more lives than the Mary Kay thread. From what I was told from various sources, I stand by what I posted. As I said, if LUC was that anti-KBG, they would have pushed NPC affiliation long before this.

And I don't think "things change" is an excuse for leaving 50 years worth of alumnae completely in the dark. Freaking call them, post a notice concerning the possible change in the alum newspaper, put it on your website, use common courtesy. Maybe they would have understood and rallied and improved KBG overall by getting involved themselves...but oh well, guess we'll never know because "things change."

Well, what you heard "from various sources" is probably a little less true than say, what's coming from me, oh I don't know BECAUSE I WAS THERE.
Have you ever set foot on LUC's campus? Have you spoken with our Panhel and asked them why they wanted KBG gone? Are you a member of KBG? Do you know ANYTHING about our alum policies? Do you ACTUALLY think there is an alum newspaper? Because there isn't. And for the record, we had an alumnae mailing list, and everyone on it received a letter. If someone didn't sign up, then excuse me for not having their address from 50 years ago. But like I said, one of our problems with KBG was lack of organization. We didn't have a national website to put up an announcement. We couldn't get everyone's addresses, because nobody from nationals would ever return our calls. Oh. And we DID post it on our website.

I hate that you act as if you know what's going on, because you are not a member of either organization, and have absolutely NO firsthand knowledge of the situation. We were only able to speak with one national officer, and I can guarantee you, it wasn't BootyKBG. Like I said, we had 10-11 different NPC organizations that were interested in colonizing our group. It appears to me that you and BootKBG are the only people really offended by this situation.

As I also pointed out before, it was not our choice to close down KBG. I said before, they tried to come in and have an informal recruitment, and were told by Panhel that they were not welcome on campus. This isn't because we blackballed KBG. Panhel's urging was one of the many reasons we decided to go NPC. I don't understand why everyone has such a problem believing this, because its definitely not the first time a school has told all local organizations that they had to go NPC. John Carroll? I understand KBG wasn't a local, but it wasn't NPC, and that is what Panhel and the University wanted. We didn't say, "KBG sucks. Make them go away". If Loyola opens for expansion in the fall and KBG has gotten organized and wants to colonize, I seriously doubt any of our girls would be bitter about it. I for one, would wish them luck.

The only reason I even brought this thread back up is that I hate how it makes Kappa and our school look. I think you need to respect that. And if you can't, maybe it will give you some solace to know that in one more year, every single formerly KBG member will have graduated, and none of the "disloyal asshats" will be around anymore. Because as I stated earlier, I seriously doubt any of the new members from the last 3 classes have an idea there ever was a KBG.

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When the word started to get out to the alumnae that a change might be taking place, calls were made to the LUC Panhellenic Office. I know of at least two women who were told (none of which I'm related to, BTW) that no change was taking place. At best, whomever these ladies talked to was/were misinformed about the situation...at worst they were lied to.

These ladies should have come clean to their alumnae base and told them what was happening. They decided to hide this from their sisters, and I think that's shady.

I can understand how you are angered by the situation, because you actually have a personal tie. I honestly don't know why Panhel would have told you that nothing was going on, unless it was before the Fall that we were open for expansion. We had to get panhel's approval and help to notify the NPC groups that we were looking to colonize, so they were well aware.

And we honestly did try to contact the alumnae. Yes, I admit, we didn't contact EVERY SINGLE MEMBER, but we had a list of alumnae who had signed up for newsletters. We put the information on our chapter website. I guess we could have tried harder, but what can I say? We were college students. We had a lot of stuff going on, with installing a new chapter, being members of several organizations, and studying of course. And I have to say, we were a lot less organized as a KBG chapter. This could have been helped by the addition of an adviser...

I truly am sorry that your mom was upset by our actions. This is something that we took into account when we made the choice to disaffiliate from KBG. We knew the risk, and we took it.

33girl · #14 01-26-2009, 06:54 PM

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I guess we could have tried harder, but what can I say? We were college students.

Nice.

And for the record, I meant the Loyola alum newspaper, not anything from KBG. It's a better way to reach alumni in general, for ALL Greek groups. Then again, considering how KBG was treated by the school, it's debatable they would have printed it. It seems like a very weird (and by weird I mean rotten) attitude for a religious-affiliated school to take towards a group who was founded with that religious affiliation.

And also for the record, I am far from the only person offended by this situation - read the rest of the thread.

Denise_DPhiE · #15 01-26-2009, 09:13 PM

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Like I said, we had 10-11 different NPC organizations that were interested in colonizing our group. It appears to me that you and BootKBG are the only people really offended by this situation.

First, let me say that I am enlightened by this KBG/LUC and KBG/F&M scenario.

That is not to say I was not completely offended that any group would drop their letters to join another. As Director of Extension since 1996, I would not apply for such an "opportunity". I saw the listing in the bulletin and decided it was someone elses trainwreck.

Several other NPC groups were in agreement. I believe the # of applications for consideration was closer to 6. Ten to eleven may have inquired but submitting extensionn materials is a time consuming process plus an expense for creating materials and shipping them. It would be public knowledge who presented so you could post that here (it would be in panhel minutes which are not secret). Who submitted would not be, it may be in some of our files (not mine, I didn't apply nor did I follow up on it) but that would not be common knowledge for anyone.

Again, thank you for putting the other side into perspective.