Obama takes Presidential oath...again - Page 2

LucyAnne17 · #16 01-22-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Choo

Chris Wallace on FOX News said after the oath was botched that b/c it had been Obama was not president. I'm not sure what other news outlets shared his POV but better safe than sorry.

I heard this too actually. But my American Politics teacher said that Fox News (as usual) was off-base because in the 20th (I hope it's the 20th...) amendment it states something about the new president is officially in office on January 20th at 12:00pm. So regardless of oaths, stumbles, etc. Obama still wins. Yeah.

honeychile · #17 01-22-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kddani

The main reason they probably even bothered to do it again is because you know some crazy idiot would file an emergency injunction saying that G.W. is still pres...

But Biden had already been sworn in! I think he started the rumor-mongering...

Munchkin03 · #18 01-22-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

But Biden had already been sworn in! I think he started the rumor-mongering...

I wouldn't put it past him!

honeychile · #19 01-22-2009, 01:10 PM

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I wouldn't put it past him!

Me, neither. He was involved in a pre-internet scandal, but somehow got out of it. My own congressman didn't survive it.

DaemonSeid · #20 01-22-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LucyAnne17

I heard this too actually. But my American Politics teacher said that Fox News (as usual) was off-base because in the 20th (I hope it's the 20th...) amendment it states something about the new president is officially in office on January 20th at 12:00pm. So regardless of oaths, stumbles, etc. Obama still wins. Yeah.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...ed_States.html

MysticCat · #21 01-22-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

First I've heard of it and I listen to a lot of talk radio

But apparently you don't talk to enough lawyers. (And if that's the case, good for you.

) This was a prime topic of conversation yesterday, going back and forth between "what was the CJ thinking, trying to do the oath from memory?" to "the CJ should really be embarrassed" to "what's the legal effect of flubbing the oath?"

As to the last question, others are right: Per Amendment XX, GWB's term ended at noon on Tuesday and, at the same moment, Obama became president. The question would have to do with his legal ability to exercise his authority as president until taking the oath, with many constitutional scholars coming down on the side of "he's president, but until he takes the oath, he can't do anything presidential." (Article II, § 1(8) says, "Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath . . . .") The question then became whether the flubbed oath counted. I saw disagreement on that, but most were taking the "better safe than sorry" approach.

BTW, this isn't the first time this has happened. Calvin Coolidge and Chester A. Arthur both re-took the oath. Both of those times, the sitting president had died (or been killed) while in office, and there was a question as to whether the first oath had been administered by someone qualified to do so.

LucyAnne17 · #22 01-22-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...ed_States.html

I love being right.

KSigkid · #23 01-22-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

But apparently you don't talk to enough lawyers. (And if that's the case, good for you.

) This was a prime topic of conversation yesterday, going back and forth between "what was the CJ thinking, trying to do the oath from memory?" to "the CJ should really be embarrassed" to "what's the legal effect of flubbing the oath?"

As to the last question, others are right: Per Amendment XX, GWB's term ended at noon on Tuesday and, at the same moment, Obama became president. The question would have to do with his legal ability to exercise his authority as president until taking the oath, with many constitutional scholars coming down on the side of "he's president, but until he takes the oath, he can't do anything presidential." (Article II, § 1(8) says, "Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath . . . .") The question then became whether the flubbed oath counted. I saw disagreement on that, but most were taking the "better safe than sorry" approach.

BTW, this isn't the first time this has happened. Calvin Coolidge and Chester A. Arthur both re-took the oath. Both of those times, the sitting president had died (or been killed) while in office, and there was a question as to whether the first oath had been administered by someone qualified to do so.

Exactly; I'm a big fan of the CJ (he's one of my favorite Supreme Court justices ever, as dorky as that sounds), and even I was a little puzzled as to why he went about it the way he did.

agzg · #24 01-22-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Exactly; I'm a big fan of the CJ (he's one of my favorite Supreme Court justices ever, as dorky as that sounds), and even I was a little puzzled as to why he went about it the way he did.

It sounds ridiculously dorky but I don't think any of us would expect anything less.

MysticCat · #25 01-22-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Exactly; I'm a big fan of the CJ (he's one of my favorite Supreme Court justices ever, as dorky as that sounds), and even I was a little puzzled as to why he went about it the way he did.

I'm very impressed with him as well, so I was more than a little puzzled. I actually commented before he started the oath that it didn't seem like a good idea to try and do it from memory.

KSig RC · #26 01-22-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

I'm very impressed with him as well, so I was more than a little puzzled. I actually commented before he started the oath that it didn't seem like a good idea to try and do it from memory.

Well, if Obama had just gotten his part correct the first time, Roberts wouldn't have had to remember it . . . just another example of liberals undermining the judiciary.

Let's hear Olberman explain THAT.

deepimpact2 · #27 01-22-2009, 08:01 PM

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Well, if Obama had just gotten his part correct the first time, Roberts wouldn't have had to remember it . . . just another example of liberals undermining the judiciary.

Let's hear Olberman explain THAT.

moe.ron · #28 01-22-2009, 10:57 PM

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I'm very impressed with him as well, so I was more than a little puzzled. I actually commented before he started the oath that it didn't seem like a good idea to try and do it from memory.

Saw him doing the oath without any papers, I started thinking, somebody is going to messed up.

Also saw tht CJ had a nervous look, that kinda sealed the deal on him flubbing. Bad idea to do it out of memory.

DrPhil · #29 01-22-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

Saw him doing the oath without any papers, I started thinking, somebody is going to messed up.

Also saw tht CJ had a nervous look, that kinda sealed the deal on him flubbing. Bad idea to do it out of memory.

I was embarassed when it happened but I didn't know who messed it up.

The Obamas' faces were the only thing they camera was showing and their expressions were priceless.

KSigkid · #30 01-23-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

It sounds ridiculously dorky but I don't think any of us would expect anything less.

Haha...fair enough. My dorkiness is quite apparent.

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

Saw him doing the oath without any papers, I started thinking, somebody is going to messed up.

Also saw tht CJ had a nervous look, that kinda sealed the deal on him flubbing. Bad idea to do it out of memory.

Just goes to show that when you try to get two Harvard Law grads to do something, the results can be CRAZY!!!