oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And I agree with AKA Monet...

See, that's where you fucked up.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

At least you recognize that you always have to have the last word. Even if it's wrong.

Nothing I haven't said before, some people just refuse to listen.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

See, that's where you fucked up.

How so? She asked a valid question.

One that NO ONE here has bothered to answer.

WHY WAS Bush in Iraq?

Gloating at his handiwork!

While you all are so busy being pissed off at me, look back in history?

Has any president EVER gone INTO (on many occasions) a warzone?

Has any of our presidents traveled to Vietnam while fighting was going on?

Did our presidents go to Germany while fighting was going on?

Hell did Bush SENIOR go to Iraq while in office?

If I am wrong then folks, by all means please correct me, but I do not recall ever off the top of my head any of our presidents traveling INTO an area in which we were actively engaged in a war except this one and someone wants to know why and you think it's a bad question?

Bruh, please.

Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat

The shoe-thrower was beaten in custody. Link is to BBC news.

Nice democracy we're building over there.

I am still waiting to see the memo that the Iraqi people sent that asked us to bring them a nice piping hot mug of democracy to them along with a 6 pack of religious and cultural tolerance...hehe. I won't hold my breath.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

WHY WAS Bush in Iraq?

Gloating at his handiwork!

While you all are so busy being pissed off at me, look back in history?

Whoa, DS, it's time to take a break. This part of your post has a definite Earpish quality to it. Take a breath and a step back from the keyboard until it passes...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Whoa, DS, it's time to take a break. This part of your post has a definite Earpish quality to it. Take a breath and a step back from the keyboard until it passes...

Not even...it's a perfectly acceptable question to ask.

And given to how most of the country (the rest of the world, really) feels about all that's been going on for the past years since this war has started, it's an acceptable opinion to have in asking that question.

It's almost akin to a conquering general taking one last look at a vanquished neighbor that he is leaving worse off than he did when he started.

Seriously think about it.

Me personally, there is really no good reason that I can think of that he needs to be there at this point in time.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It's almost akin to a conquering general taking one last look at a vanquished neighbor that he is leaving worse off than he did when he started.

That is an unsubstantiated interpretation of it.

This is why theorizing about why Bush went to Iraq is a separate issue.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Me personally, there is really no good reason that I can think of that he needs to be there at this point in time.

Maybe he went to make a pitcher of Kool-Aid. So? He ended up getting a shoe pitcher. Whackawhackawhacka...dumdumdum...chhhhhhh......

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That is an unsubstantiated interpretation of it.

This is why theorizing about why Bush went to Iraq is a separate issue.



Maybe he went to make a pitcher of Kool-Aid. So? He ended up getting a shoe pitcher. Whackawhackawhacka...dumdumdum...chhhhhhh......

Now mid you, this was a secret visit also. If this incident had never happened, we would have never known that Bush was there.

Something else to think about.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Now mid you, this was a secret visit also.

Correct, supposedly, the First Lady is one of the relative few who knew.

He quietly left the White House in the evening while his guests were off to bed. The guests were to awake to the surprise that the man they were doing the Electric Slide with the night before is now in Iraq on a final visit. Instead, they awoke to the surprise that he was in Iraq and had a shoe thrown at him.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

If this incident had never happened, we would have never known that Bush was there.

Untrue. The reporters were there in order to...........

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Something else to think about.

You can think about that.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Now mid you, this was a secret visit also. If this incident had never happened, we would have never known that Bush was there.

Something else to think about.

The secrecy was likely a security measure because as you have continually noted, he was entering a "war zone". And so the roomful of reporters were all sworn to secrecy, you think? Not one news story would have come out about his farewell visit after he was safely out of country?


ETA: aw, I miss our "jinx" moments like this, Chaos!

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Nothing I haven't said before, some people just refuse to listen.



How so? She asked a valid question.

One that NO ONE here has bothered to answer.

WHY WAS Bush in Iraq?

Gloating at his handiwork!

While you all are so busy being pissed off at me, look back in history?

Has any president EVER gone INTO (on many occasions) a warzone?

Has any of our presidents traveled to Vietnam while fighting was going on?

Did our presidents go to Germany while fighting was going on?

Hell did Bush SENIOR go to Iraq while in office?

If I am wrong then folks, by all means please correct me, but I do not recall ever off the top of my head any of our presidents traveling INTO an area in which we were actively engaged in a war except this one and someone wants to know why and you think it's a bad question?

Bruh, please.



I am still waiting to see the memo that the Iraqi people sent that asked us to bring them a nice piping hot mug of democracy to them along with a 6 pack of religious and cultural tolerance...hehe. I won't hold my breath.

The difference between this and other wars, is that we were fighting against the country's government in every other war. Right now, we are fighting WITH the Iraqi government against insurgents in Iraq. Seriously, if you are going to get into a political arguement please know your facts.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

The difference between this and other wars, is that we were fighting against the country's government in every other war. Right now, we are fighting WITH the Iraqi government against insurgents in Iraq. Seriously, if you are going to get into a political arguement please know your facts.

Yeah and your point is what?

answer the question since you wanna throw your hat into the "Whack a Daemon" role...

WHY. WAS. BUSH. THERE. ?

Now think about what you just said. The war didn't start with us fighting insurgents. It started with us overthrowing the current regime under Saddam Hussein when we STILL should have been seeking out Bin Ladin for 9/11 but we just so happened to find an excuse (WMDs remember those things? vaporware we never found?) to go in and attack.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

WHY. WAS. BUSH. THERE. ?

Maybe we can get a Bush sockpuppet to answer the question. Or I'm sure Chuck Norris knows.

Then will you shut up or will you continually drift off into the abyss of diversionary tactics? LOL.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Yeah and your point is what?

answer the question since you wanna throw your hat into the "Whack a Daemon" role...

WHY. WAS. BUSH. THERE. ?

Now think about what you just said. The war didn't start with us fighting insurgents. It started with us overthrowing the current regime under Saddam Hussein when we STILL should have been seeking out Bin Ladin for 9/11 but we just so happened to find an excuse (WMDs remember those things? vaporware we never found?) to go in and attack.

Bush could have been there for 1,000's of reasons. One example, maybe he wanted to meet with the Iraqi leader (which the US is working with) before Obama took control of the United States. Bush doesn't need to get his permission slip signed by you to go on a field trip to Iraq.

Second, you are correct in saying that we invaded Iraq to overthrow Saddam's regime. But answer this: Does not finding WMD's say that we didn't think that WMD's are there? Police raid drug houses all the time and don't find anything. Does that mean that they were wrong and shouldn't arrest the guy inside that is wanted for murder? Saddam was a terrible tyrant that needed to be taken down. He slaughtered his own people. I have heard a lot of Bush's opponents say "we didn't find WMD's we invaded on false pretenses..." In the end, nobody in the American public knows what intelligence was Presented to Bush that made him push the buttom to invade Iraq, so you can't comment on it. Maybe the CIA is the one who was foolish and didn't present facts. Were you in the oval office when the discussion went on? No, so stop speculating! All we can do is have trust in the man that was elected and WHEN we have concrete evidence that he violated that trust, call him on his bullshit. When you get some concrete, let the American People know.... Until then, shut up and support your President.

I don't like Obama, I think he is a lying, cheating, step on whoever, and do whatever you need to get elected type of person. However, the majority of the country has elected him. Who am I to go against what the majority of the country wants? So, when Obama takes office I wont sit here and talk trash about him because he is my leader. Maybe you need to take some lessons in humility my friend.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by ufpika

So, when Obama takes office I wont sit here and talk trash about him because he is my leader.

Somehow I doubt the validity of this statement. Actually - I doubt that you'll have the ability to make good on this campaign promise, if you will.

Not that I think Bush should have had a shoe thrown at him. Actually, scratch that.

If it had come from someone in a western culture, sure. I still probably wouldn't have been cool with it, but it's worse in this situation.

But we've already discussed that in Islam, the bottom of a shoe, and shoes in general, are considered dirty and insulting. That's where I think this incident is particularly bad.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

Bush could have been there for 1,000's of reasons. One example, maybe he wanted to meet with the Iraqi leader (which the US is working with) before Obama took control of the United States. Bush doesn't need to get his permission slip signed by you to go on a field trip to Iraq.

Second, you are correct in saying that we invaded Iraq to overthrow Saddam's regime. But answer this: Does not finding WMD's say that we didn't think that WMD's are there? Police raid drug houses all the time and don't find anything. Does that mean that they were wrong and shouldn't arrest the guy inside that is wanted for murder? Saddam was a terrible tyrant that needed to be taken down. He slaughtered his own people. I have heard a lot of Bush's opponents say "we didn't find WMD's we invaded on false pretenses..." In the end, nobody in the American public knows what intelligence was Presented to Bush that made him push the buttom to invade Iraq, so you can't comment on it. Maybe the CIA is the one who was foolish and didn't present facts. Were you in the oval office when the discussion went on? No, so stop speculating! All we can do is have trust in the man that was elected and WHEN we have concrete evidence that he violated that trust, call him on his bullshit. When you get some concrete, let the American People know.... Until then, shut up and support your President.

I don't like Obama, I think he is a lying, cheating, step on whoever, and do whatever you need to get elected type of person. However, the majority of the country has elected him. Who am I to go against what the majority of the country wants? So, when Obama takes office I wont sit here and talk trash about him because he is my leader. Maybe you need to take some lessons in humility my friend.

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

I don't recall asking you for an opinion about "What Obama Would Do" and personally don't give a shit about your assessment.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

He's just being the mirror image of you.